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Daniel Levy - Chairman

DubaiSpur said:
Curious - how many people's opinions of Levy and ENIC were changed by the events of the last few days?

Honestly, not trying to call anyone out. Do you feel now that ENIC are still the best custodians of this club, or is it time for a change?
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I disagreed with the ESL totally so i was not happy about that decision at all, however there is no doubt that to the VAST majority of fans Levy has done wonders for our club. We all know you have always had a bee in your bonnet about Levy ( still got the voodoo doll?). So i guess your question is no surprise. :rolleyes:
 
Jurgen the German said:
Well given that we are a football club I’d say it’s not a bad move to employ erm....football experts who know the game better to make erm....football decisions. Every company I have worked for, the MD or CEO has always surrounded himself with as many technical people as possible to run the technical side of the business so the heads of the company can get on with the actual running of the company.
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Agreed.

How many people running large supermarkets pick their experts from a list of shelf stackers? How many engineering firms have a machinist on the board?
 
DubSpur said:
The difference is that Levy is a part owner of the club, not the same for other executives and it is still less than what the top players are being paid.
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Why does that make a difference? So in many ways we'd be better off allowing him to play the usual part of an owner and not have direct involvement (or any pay) and pay a specialist CEO a lower amount of money?
 
Jurgen the German said:
Well given that we are a football club I’d say it’s not a bad move to employ erm....football experts who know the game better to make erm....football decisions. Every company I have worked for, the MD or CEO has always surrounded himself with as many technical people as possible to run the technical side of the business so the heads of the company can get on with the actual running of the company.
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The best CTO/CIO's I have come across are those that had a background in Technology (though I appreciate mine is hardly an ample sample size).
 
Finney Is Back said:
Why does that make a difference? So in many ways we'd be better off allowing him to play the usual part of an owner and not have direct involvement (or any pay) and pay a specialist CEO a lower amount of money?
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The only money he is taking out of the club is his salary. He's also delivered huge projects (you can argue going over budget etc) so has had more on his plate than any other executive.
He's grown profits and the value of the club which is part of the usual criteria for salary of an executive.
 
Raziel said:
Something close to this

- Levy is not going to go anywhere, he's young and the work he's done building this asset could be a business school case study.
- Why the fudge would anyone want fan control? that's like putting passengers in charge of sailing the ship

Fans are too close, too emotional to the topic, the way that you have to look at business is long term

- Spurs progress in 20 years under Levy is nothing short of extraordinary with the single caveat of trophies, everything else, facilities, stadium, players, european participation, results and club value and profile has been better than any other club in that period globally with the only exception of the money doping clubs.
- The money is self generated and pretty much goes back into the club (we might argue priorities, e.g. stadium/facilities/land vs. players)
- The most important (and legacy of Levy) thing he has done is build a club that will (with some normality) support itself at the top level for the future (Chelsea/City/etc. require regular money doping inputs even after all these years)
- He makes ballsy decisions (sign of good leadership), he makes decisions he knows the fans won't like if he thinks its right for Spurs (and amazing how people don't respect that). That sometimes means he gets it wrong.

My biggest issue with people who go at Levy is the better alternatives? hope is not a strategy.

- If I saw a large group of other chairmen doing much better things, then I'd have a stick to compare to that puts Levy in another light, but honestly that light generally makes Levy look like the greatest chairman ever most days.
- Not single chairman I'm aware of in Europe is particularly better or I would swap for Levy (I obviously don't know every one, but the point applies)

Short answer is most people want Emirates Marketing Project (be fudging honest), they want a set of owners who just throw cash at a problem until they win with no plan to sustainability, without raising ticket prices and without joining some kind of ESL. Those same people will look aside re the morality of where that money came from (slave state) but be up in arms about ESL
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All of that yet Leicester have been more successful than us. [emoji848]

Levy wins in the boardroom but constantly loses in the pitch.
 
DubSpur said:
The only money he is taking out of the club is his salary. He's also delivered huge projects (you can argue going over budget etc) so has had more on his plate than any other executive.
He's grown profits and the value of the club which is part of the usual criteria for salary of an executive.
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Indeed. Daniel Levy has grown his own and Joe Lewis' net worth nicely and taken more out of THFC in salary than any other single exec in that same time period. Perhaps if his salary and bonuses had been linked to trophies won we may not have had our leanest 20 year period since GHod knows when?

At present Levy presides over the club with the 5th highest income in the country. Therefore one would assume that his remuneration would be commensurate with being the 5th highest exec remuneration in the PL..... after all our playing staff remuneration is roughly in line with that at 6th highest in the PL (or perhaps 7th now depending on Everton's increase in wage bill this season?)

Daniel and Joe are 100% better owners than the Glaziers, I'll give them that. They also don't loan the club money and charge massive interest premiums like Gold and Sullivan at West Ham, so they're better than those as well. Not too sure which other owners they rank above to be honest?
 
Finney Is Back said:
We have overtaken Arsenal and Leeds and been overtaken by Emirates Marketing Project and Liverpool).

We looked close to taking that extra step and actually becoming one of the big clubs for a few years but the chairman failed to back the manager who took us there and now we look as though we'll remain 5th/6th (depending on Arsenal's fortunes) for the foreseeable future.
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Slight oversimplification. This point on City and Pool is key. We haven’t really stood still as others around us pushed forward, some with subsidised incomes.

Moreover, Levy has created the conditions for us to kick on. Reaching the CL final, being able to attract the best talent with our setup, with a clear route and business model for us to grow again once the debt is reduced.

Easy narrative the ‘didn’t back the manager’ one, but we did pretty damn well with tight spending. No guarantees borrowing to spend would have worked. But it is certain that this approach would have increased risk and you outline examples of where this approach has failed.

Short of learning how to coach, Levy has done more or less all he could to put Spurs into a stronger position,which we are. If we’d been getting the revenue from the stadium we would be tickling the bottoms of the elite clubs with our ability to spend on the best players.


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Finney Is Back said:
Indeed. Daniel Levy has grown his own and Joe Lewis' net worth nicely and taken more out of THFC in salary than any other single exec in that same time period. Perhaps if his salary and bonuses had been linked to trophies won we may not have had our leanest 20 year period since GHod knows when?

At present Levy presides over the club with the 5th highest income in the country. Therefore one would assume that his remuneration would be commensurate with being the 5th highest exec remuneration in the PL..... after all our playing staff remuneration is roughly in line with that at 6th highest in the PL (or perhaps 7th now depending on Everton's increase in wage bill this season?)

Daniel and Joe are 400% better owners than the Glaziers, I'll give them that. They also don't loan the club money and charge massive interest premiums like Gold and Sullivan at West Ham, so they're better than those as well. Not too sure which other owners they rank above to be honest?
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we don't know the numbers though, look at Khaldoon Al Mubarak at City, he has multiple jobs across the parent company
 
Finney Is Back said:
The best CTO/CIO's I have come across are those that had a background in Technology (though I appreciate mine is hardly an ample sample size).
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That's to be expected. Success in IT generally requires a reasonably high level of intelligence and analytical skills. Certainly more than kicking some leather and running really fast.
 
Baleforce said:
What I mean is, he works for the parent group, I'm sure there is a line in the City budget for a chairman salary, but that won't cover everything he's actually making.
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So he is drawing a small amount of money out of Emirates Marketing Project for the work he does but actually take a large chunk of money from the parent company for the work he does?.....

Sounds great!.... where can we sign up to this model for Levy getting his considerable salary and bonuses from ENIC instead of THFC?
 
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