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Coronavirus

awesome dawson said:
Bill Gates the bridge builder and Fauci the tunnel engineer support lockdowns because it’s in their job interest. I don’t even think trump would tweet something so ridiculous.
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Not because it's in their job interests, because it's what they know. Someone who has spent a lifetime learning to focus on those who have a virus will, entirely naturally, focus on those who have a virus.
 
Mikey10 said:
Given that hospitals in some parts of the UK are already running above capacity, even with a lockdown in place, it seems a likely outcome.

https://www.newsletter.co.uk/health...related-deaths-recorded-last-24-hours-3035325
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Not direct at yourself.


But It’s amazing how some people are worried about hospitals being close to full this year, when they haven’t given a toss in the past when this happens, which is most years.

These are par numbers.

10 years of cuts and lack of investment.
 
Legohamster said:
Not direct at yourself.


But It’s amazing how some people are worried about hospitals being close to full this year, when they haven’t given a toss in the past when this happens, which is most years.

These are par numbers.

10 years of cuts and lack of investment.
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What anti lockdown drivel have you got in store for us today mr hamster?
 
scaramanga said:
They've limited organised, public event number. People are still free to meet privately in whatever numbers they choose.
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That’s not what he said. They’re closing gyms, cafes and asking people to cancel private gatherings at each others homes/dinner parties. Hardly the anti lockdown you’ve been banging on about as Europe's best way of dealing with Covid.
 
scaramanga said:
They've limited organised, public event number. People are still free to meet privately in whatever numbers they choose.
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awesome dawson said:
That’s not what he said. They’re closing gyms, cafes and asking people to cancel private gatherings at each others homes/dinner parties. Hardly the anti lockdown you’ve been banging on about as Europe's best way of dealing with Covid.
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Warning that the situation was “going to get worse”, Prime Minister Stefan Lofven said on Monday the limit on public gatherings in Sweden would be cut from 50 people to eight. “It is a clear and sharp signal to every person in our country as to what applies in the future. Don’t go to the gym, don’t go the library, don’t have dinner out, don’t have parties — cancel!” Mr Lofven told a press conference. Sweden has stood out from the rest of Europe by refusing to order a legal lockdown and instead preferring to rely on recommendations to people to wash their hands, keep a distance, and work from home.

The new ban applies to public gatherings such as concerts, lectures and theatre performances, but not to private gatherings. Sweden last week banned the serving of alcohol after 10pm, and now has special local recommendations such as to avoid public transport or shops in nearly the entire country.

Sweden’s cases per capita are currently 10 times higher than Finland and four times higher than Norway. Last week, the rate at which people were being admitted into hospital was growing faster in Sweden than any other European country. And after several months of relatively low numbers of deaths, Sweden reported more than 100 in three days last week.

More here https://www.ft.com/content/67fc5152-d500-4b9e-ad5c-79e1bf2b68e2

In terms of what they are recommending, they are not a million miles away from where we are, but it's all recommendation rather than an actually closing down certain businesses etc. It will be interesting to see where they end up : e.g. shops and gyms and restaurants are allowed to stay open, but people are being advised not to use them - what's the hit of that for business owners and employees? People should work from home, potentially impacting businesses reliant on office workers. There will certainly be knock-on economic and job effects.
I don't know (and am too lazy to research) whether they have resolved their problems with care homes or whether that is accounting for a significant proportion of the increasing hospital admissions.
It's not lockdown per se but it's not life carrying on pretty much as usual, which is often the implication when talking about Sweden's approach. I wonder what the level of peer pressure is to conform with recommendations?

Whether the trade off works remains to be seen.
 
awesome dawson said:
That’s not what he said. They’re closing gyms, cafes and asking people to cancel private gatherings at each others homes/dinner parties. Hardly the anti lockdown you’ve been banging on about as Europe's best way of dealing with Covid.
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Glenda's Legs said:
Warning that the situation was “going to get worse”, Prime Minister Stefan Lofven said on Monday the limit on public gatherings in Sweden would be cut from 50 people to eight. “It is a clear and sharp signal to every person in our country as to what applies in the future. Don’t go to the gym, don’t go the library, don’t have dinner out, don’t have parties — cancel!” Mr Lofven told a press conference. Sweden has stood out from the rest of Europe by refusing to order a legal lockdown and instead preferring to rely on recommendations to people to wash their hands, keep a distance, and work from home.

The new ban applies to public gatherings such as concerts, lectures and theatre performances, but not to private gatherings. Sweden last week banned the serving of alcohol after 10pm, and now has special local recommendations such as to avoid public transport or shops in nearly the entire country.

Sweden’s cases per capita are currently 10 times higher than Finland and four times higher than Norway. Last week, the rate at which people were being admitted into hospital was growing faster in Sweden than any other European country. And after several months of relatively low numbers of deaths, Sweden reported more than 100 in three days last week.

More here https://www.ft.com/content/67fc5152-d500-4b9e-ad5c-79e1bf2b68e2

In terms of what they are recommending, they are not a million miles away from where we are, but it's all recommendation rather than an actually closing down certain businesses etc. It will be interesting to see where they end up : e.g. shops and gyms and restaurants are allowed to stay open, but people are being advised not to use them - what's the hit of that for business owners and employees? People should work from home, potentially impacting businesses reliant on office workers. There will certainly be knock-on economic and job effects.
I don't know (and am too lazy to research) whether they have resolved their problems with care homes or whether that is accounting for a significant proportion of the increasing hospital admissions.
It's not lockdown per se but it's not life carrying on pretty much as usual, which is often the implication when talking about Sweden's approach. I wonder what the level of peer pressure is to conform with recommendations?

Whether the trade off works remains to be seen.
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As with everything they've done so far, advice not orders.

Makes a huge difference.
 
Legohamster said:
Not direct at yourself.


But It’s amazing how some people are worried about hospitals being close to full this year, when they haven’t given a toss in the past when this happens, which is most years.

These are par numbers.

10 years of cuts and lack of investment.
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In some ways it has been an eye opener for some!
 
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