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Champions League 23/24

2 - 0 Dortmund, looking more and more like 5th won't be enough for CL

Never understood how it was supposed to be advantage England with two head to heads against German teams. Leverkusen were always knocking out West Ham and Arsenal-Bayern is 50/50 at best. Even if Liverpool hadn't fudged up, it would still be difficult.
 
Never understood how it was supposed to be advantage England with two head to heads against German teams. Leverkusen were always knocking out West Ham and Arsenal-Bayern is 50/50 at best. Even if Liverpool hadn't fudged up, it would still be difficult.
Really needed at least Dortmund knocked out. City and Villa probably need to win the CL and conference to have any chance now unless Arse beat Bayern.
 
Had control of the game and fudged it up. Thought that was a pen there for them.
They won't have anyone left on the bench at the rate they are getting reds now.
Petulant coaching staff == petulant players
 
Do teams in the CL just not bother defending? Number of goals being shipped is embarrassing.
 
"Don't you know there ain't no devil, there's just GHod when he's drunk."

Bad result for the PL fifth place finisher getting into Champions League. Add in Leverkusen likely strolling it over West Ham and it won't matter if Arsenal beat Bayern. Or Villa beat... whomever.
 
"Don't you know there ain't no devil, there's just GHod when he's drunk."

Bad result for the PL fifth place finisher getting into Champions League. Add in Leverkusen likely strolling it over West Ham and it won't matter if Arsenal beat Bayern. Or Villa beat... whomever.
It's 2pts for winning any game and 1pt for qualifying for the next round.

So even if West Ham and Liverpool are to go out it'll be handy if they can still win their respective games.

I'm not sure what happens to games that go to penalties?.

A disadvantage we have is we have to divide any points gain by 8 (7 for Germany)
 
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