Just play him on the left and we'd probably have beat them two anyway! My point is that his roaming cost us at least a win this season. Can't blame anyone but ourselves.
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Annus Horribilis 2011/2012 .............................
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Just play him on the left and we'd probably have beat them two anyway! My point is that his roaming cost us at least a win this season. Can't blame anyone but ourselves.
DubaiSpur
Ian Walker
Yep. No nice way to say it, but yep. Everton fans, for example, are getting tired of Moyes and his faults, despite most other people in the league agreeing that he's done a great job there. Harry is the same.
Sure, another top four finish in the bag. We might not get CL, but we're the fourth best team in the land again. And that's good. But at what point do you stop satisfying yourself with the status quo and aim higher, though? or is it too presumptious to do so? I'm honestly wondering about it.
Maybe climbing into third wasn't such a great thing after all, seeing as almost everyone (including me) instantly raised our expectations as we saw the team going 7, 10, 12, then 13 points clear of Le Arse at that stage.
africanspurs
Justin Edinburgh
thats it? you realise you're being provocative for no reason so you do the playground switcharoo .
jjeeeeez,
majority of the responses in this thread? its been less than a page so far and you have two generals, usual suspects, from one side and you think thats proof of something
Three full seasons, and got 4th twice - 2/3 isn't occassional. So where do you think we should be challenging? Title challengers every year?
africanspurs
Justin Edinburgh
my point is that his roaming won us more than one game...can't blame anyone but harry for that
glorygloryeze
Ian Walker
I agree with the thread titke, sadly.
But at the beginning of the season I'd have sanpped your hands off if you'd told me we'd finish 4th.
However, blowing 3rd place and all the advantages it would have given us (better ability to attract transfer targets EARLIER, better planning for the income of CL, NLD gloating rights etc etc) means it has a bitter taste to what should be an achievement for Harry.
Sadly, he'll get the 'bottling it' label that our club has had in the last 50 years or so...
But at the beginning of the season I'd have sanpped your hands off if you'd told me we'd finish 4th.
However, blowing 3rd place and all the advantages it would have given us (better ability to attract transfer targets EARLIER, better planning for the income of CL, NLD gloating rights etc etc) means it has a bitter taste to what should be an achievement for Harry.
Sadly, he'll get the 'bottling it' label that our club has had in the last 50 years or so...
DubaiSpur
Ian Walker
Happy birthday, hope you enjoy it.
Personally I might see things differently when Bayern blast Chelsea away, but that's just me.
And yes, occasionally. "happening as occasion presents itself, without regularity."
'Regularity' is what the Arse have, with regards to their constant finishes above us. We, on the other hand, are relying on Bayern to let us into the CL. Ergo, we are not 'regular' entrants. Simple as that.
africanspurs
Justin Edinburgh
what you're invariably saying is that you would rather not succeed because you can't take failure. you'd be happier being safe and consistent
i know you'll say that it isnt what you are saying but it is. we dared to reach third and really FLY...then we came crashing down and now you see this in a negative light cause you've been shown something better and didnt get to take it home.
Hotshot-Tottenham
Edgar Davids
so you happily blame Harry / the club I take it because of decisions that you perceive to have been wrong, yet we have no way of knowing if doing it any other way would have been any different.
yet the fact that Ade had 4 goals wrongly chalked off is ignored? 3 of those goals were winners iirc, and as such would have given us the extra points that we needed - so, games that, in truth, we legitimately won - managed by Harry.
the lines are so fine - had Fulop only gifted 2 goals, not 3 today - it would have been different, yet Harry is the easy target.
africanspurs
Justin Edinburgh
without adding to the answer i'm asking for......just answer me this
start of the season would you have been ecstatic with 4th place. Yes or no (do your BEST-est Besty not to say one thing then add the 'but' statement)
Hotshot-Tottenham
Edgar Davids
mate, take a step back and look at the graph - this is sustained improvement.
glorygloryeze
Ian Walker
I agree with the thread titke, sadly.
But at the beginning of the season I'd have sanpped your hands off if you'd told me we'd finish 4th.
However, blowing 3rd place and all the advantages it would have given us (better ability to attract transfer targets EARLIER, better planning for the income of CL, NLD gloating rights etc etc) means it has a bitter taste to what should be an achievement for Harry.
Sadly, he'll get the 'bottling it' label that our club has had in the last 50 years or so...
But at the beginning of the season I'd have sanpped your hands off if you'd told me we'd finish 4th.
However, blowing 3rd place and all the advantages it would have given us (better ability to attract transfer targets EARLIER, better planning for the income of CL, NLD gloating rights etc etc) means it has a bitter taste to what should be an achievement for Harry.
Sadly, he'll get the 'bottling it' label that our club has had in the last 50 years or so...
DubaiSpur
Ian Walker
I'd like us to be challenging for the title every year, certainly. Other than that, I expect the team to live up to their potential.
Do you honestly believe that fourth is the highest that this team, under Harry's management, can achieve? Was the highest we could aim for this season?
Third was ours, and we blew it.
But enough. I'm not bashing Harry, I've gotten a bit jaded by it. I'm satisfied, no more, no less. I'll be depressed if Bayern lose, but hey ho, the world hates us and that isn't going to change.
I'm reminded of something I once said about him, though. The reason so many Spurs supporters are hesitant to fully back him is not because he's completely incompetent (he isn't), but precisely because he keeps showing us tantalising glimpses of his ability and glimpses of glory for Spurs, before letting his own flaws destroy said glimpses, or at least severely degrade them. He raises our hopes beyond what we originally have, and then dashes them down again.
africanspurs
Justin Edinburgh
i think he might want the curve on the graph to be steeper to the positive.
i hope harry keeps his job, cause i fear that the next guy might not do as well....the fans will blame levy, harry and father chirstmas before they accept that maybe we shouldnt look a gift horse in the mouth
DubaiSpur
Ian Walker
Yep. Happy?
I gather you'll want an explanation, though, so here; human nature means that when expectations are raised, old hopes become less appealing than they originally did.
Those heady days in February, when the team was rocketing along, Mind the Gap posters were springing up everywhere, Hazard was talking us up as a perfect destination, the press was salivating over our magnificent, flowing football...those days were fantastic. And the reason I'm less chuffed than I should be is precisely because I'm disappointed we threw it all away, is all.
glorygloryeze
Ian Walker
Perhaps.
But it's the reasons we failed to get 3rd that taste bitter:
- poor mid-season buys,
- poor fitness when actually we haven't had fixture congestion of ANY kind (e.g. Arsenal game)
- poor squad rotation
- lack of a clearly identified plan B
- the ease in which teams can nullify us by parking the bus
Basically the same reasons we missed out on CL last year. It does feel that we've learnt from failing last year and have been pipped by frankly a poor Arsenal side, plus Chelski are/were in turmoil.
We had to ****-up BIG TIME not to get 3rd this season.
This is it for me, no Redknapp out campaign just the fact that going by last time we will not be decisive in the transfer market until we qualify for real, which will possibly be too late. Also the fact that had we stopped Arsenal from qualifying that RvP would leave for sure giving us a better shot at trying to finish top 4 next year.
chicken_badge
Gudni Bergsson
And we have no one to congratulate but ourselves.
However we got there, fourth after the season this has been is a helluva achievement.
Well done THFC.
However we got there, fourth after the season this has been is a helluva achievement.
Well done THFC.
africanspurs
Justin Edinburgh
actually no, just yes will do fine
Official P***ed Off Thread
(Annoying optimists aren't welcome here)
I remember in December there was one night when I was watching SSN and they were singing songs of praise in our name, and how we were by far playing the best football in the league, and it was unfortunate we had lost our first 2 games as we should have been top of the league at that point with the beautiful football we were playing. I thought we'd finish 3rd easily and comfortably. Don't start on the "over-achievement" gonad*s. We should have finished 3rd. If we had earned one more bloody point off somewhere! If we had dropped one point less, then today wouldn't have been St Totteringham's Day. Yes, we had a hard run and we should have expected to drop points, but there were many points we shouldn't have dropped. And yes, all teams drop stupid points, but 6 points from 9 games is taking the tinkle a little bit. Pre-season expectations mean nothing, because we didn't know what we were capable of pre-season. After we lost to Arsenal our beautiful style of football had stopped. What a joke 2nd half of a season. Now I have to support a bloody German team next week!
(Annoying optimists aren't welcome here)
I remember in December there was one night when I was watching SSN and they were singing songs of praise in our name, and how we were by far playing the best football in the league, and it was unfortunate we had lost our first 2 games as we should have been top of the league at that point with the beautiful football we were playing. I thought we'd finish 3rd easily and comfortably. Don't start on the "over-achievement" gonad*s. We should have finished 3rd. If we had earned one more bloody point off somewhere! If we had dropped one point less, then today wouldn't have been St Totteringham's Day. Yes, we had a hard run and we should have expected to drop points, but there were many points we shouldn't have dropped. And yes, all teams drop stupid points, but 6 points from 9 games is taking the tinkle a little bit. Pre-season expectations mean nothing, because we didn't know what we were capable of pre-season. After we lost to Arsenal our beautiful style of football had stopped. What a joke 2nd half of a season. Now I have to support a bloody German team next week!