Poll: Which of the following was your best win under Sherwood?

[DeanoAustin]

We may have scored more than our opposition at times, but being managed by a halfwit is always a loss.

Isn't describing Tactics Tim as a halfwit sort of overestimating him by 50%?

 

[Rorschach]

I’d have to do some maths but iirc correctly AVB’s record was ok, he was fired for falling out with others at the club and the two embarrassing defeats to city and liverpool.

We’d stormed the EL group and got to the LC qf’s.

I believe that at the time he was fired we had more points from fixtures played than we had accrued in the previous season (which was a club record points tally)

Levy clearly lost faith in AVB and couldn’t see him continuing our trajectory.

It was the right time to move AVB on when it happened IMO. I liked the guy at the start but the sheen wore off.

He had plateaued in terms of where he could bring Spurs and that was solely down to his rigid tactical approach to each match IMO. To me it always seemed like his coaching manual was missing a couple of chapters - the one on turning possession into chances and another on how to play to the strengths of the players you have at your disposal. His possession at all costs approach stifled us creatively and towards the end my impression was that the players had given up on his methods. Those couple of spankings we received were due to the players not pressing and this allowed the opposition to exploit our high line easily.

I also think AVB himself had mentally checked out by the time Levy finally pulled the trigger. His time was certainly up but he was far from the worst we've had by a long shot.

As for Sherwood, he had mentally checked out before he began. In saying that he wasn't the worst manager we've had either IMO (I feel a poll coming on).

 

[Baleforce]

He's the only appointment made in my time supporting the club where I couldn't see any reason or logic behind it, there are many it didn't work out for but at least they had shown something elsewhere.

It was one of Levy's few mistakes, although it pays testament to what Levy has done with the club that even an ignoramus like sherwood couldn't do to much damage.

 

[Alaric]

I think I have tried to block out Sherwood's entire reign. I vaguely remember beating up the brick teams, only to get hammered by the good ones. My hope is that after a few more seasons of Poch, I won't even remember that.

 

[DTA]

He's the only appointment made in my time supporting the club where I couldn't see any reason or logic behind it, there are many it didn't work out for but at least they had shown something elsewhere.

It was one of Levy's few mistakes, although it pays testament to what Levy has done with that club that even an ignoramus like sherwood couldn't do to much damage.

Ok besides the fact that he actually done better with the same players then AVB.

He was appointed as a interim manager so he could steady the ship that Avb started to sink. Which he did.

He promoted in some cases or at least used youth players which ultimately have payed off for us. Either financially or as mainstays of the present day team. AVB didn't do this, and he had the same players at his disposal.

Ultimately he took us to the summer where we could then land our long term manager. Which we did.

Considering the succss of pouch ... I think it was a great decision by levy.

 

[Robspur12]

As much as AVB’ s fans would hate to admit it, the appointment of AVB ultimately made our club a laughing stock far more than any thing Sherwood did. Chelsea fans were laughing because they knew how it would end for us having suffered first hand from his methods and failings. The press were laughing because he was falling apart in front of their eyes. Everyone could say “I told you so, ” when it inevitably went tits up as they had predicted.

For all his failings at least Sherwood steadied the ship and allowed us to wait until the summer to appoint Poch. In addition AVB has not missed any opportunity to criticise both Abramovich and Levy since his departure from their clubs. In the case of the latter he did so while failing to acknowledge his own failings. Personally I feel far more antipathy towards AVB than Sherwood.

 

[DTA]

As much as AVB’ s fans would hate to admit it, the appointment of AVB ultimately made our club a laughing stock far more than any thing Sherwood did. Chelsea fans were laughing because they knew how it would end for us having suffered first hand from his methods and failings. The press were laughing because he was falling apart in front of their eyes. Everyone could say “I told you so, ” when it inevitably went tits up as they had predicted.

For all his failings at least Sherwood steadied the ship and allowed us to wait until the summer to appoint Poch. In addition AVB has not missed any opportunity to criticise both Abramovich and Levy since his departure from their clubs. In the case of the latter he did so while failing to acknowledge his own failings. Personally I feel far more antipathy towards AVB than Sherwood.

This is soo true. The Chelsea fans I know were laughing their arses off when we got AVB... i thought they were just being bitter... untill i realised that they were in fact telling the truth and AvB was a useless charlatan that played some of the most boring football I have ever seen.

 

[parklane1]

I am not sure where those who are saying Sherwood had a better win ratio then AVB, according to the list below AVB had a 55%win against Sherwood 50% ????


Manager Years Played Won Win %
1 Frank Brettell 1898–1899 63 37 58.73
2 Arthur Turner 1942–1946 49 27 55.10
3 André Villas-Boas 2012–2013 80 44 55.00
4 Mauricio Pochettino 2014– 180 99 55
5 John Cameron 1899–1907 570 296 51.93
6 David Pleat 1 1986–1987 119 60 50.42
7 Tim Sherwood 2013–2014 28 14 50.00
8 Harry Redknapp 2008–2012 198 98 49.49

 

[scaramanga]

I am not sure where those who are saying Sherwood had a better win ratio then AVB, according to the list below AVB had a 55%win against Sherwood 50% ????


Manager Years Played Won Win %
1 Frank Brettell 1898–1899 63 37 58.73
2 Arthur Turner 1942–1946 49 27 55.10
3 André Villas-Boas 2012–2013 80 44 55.00
4 Mauricio Pochettino 2014– 180 99 55
5 John Cameron 1899–1907 570 296 51.93
6 David Pleat 1 1986–1987 119 60 50.42
7 Tim Sherwood 2013–2014 28 14 50.00
8 Harry Redknapp 2008–2012 198 98 49.49

And that was with the benefit of AVB's good work.

Timmeh would be lucky to get a 20% win ratio if he had to start from "shuffle across a bit"

 

[DTA]

I am not sure where those who are saying Sherwood had a better win ratio then AVB, according to the list below AVB had a 55%win against Sherwood 50% ????


Manager Years Played Won Win %
1 Frank Brettell 1898–1899 63 37 58.73
2 Arthur Turner 1942–1946 49 27 55.10
3 André Villas-Boas 2012–2013 80 44 55.00
4 Mauricio Pochettino 2014– 180 99 55
5 John Cameron 1899–1907 570 296 51.93
6 David Pleat 1 1986–1987 119 60 50.42
7 Tim Sherwood 2013–2014 28 14 50.00
8 Harry Redknapp 2008–2012 198 98 49.49

We are talking about in the same season with the same players at their disposal ie no bale... 2013-2014 season

 

[DTA]

And that was with the benefit of AVB's good work.

Timmeh would be lucky to get a 20% win ratio if he had to start from "shuffle across a bit"

No that was despite AVB almost sinking a talented squad. What's AVB record at spurs like without Bale? Where is the Chalatan now?

 

[the dza]

I think the players just needed the break from AVB's style and it happened to be Sherwood who provided it for them -- he gave them freedom to express themselves, which in hindsight was down to him not having a clue how to do anything else. They did that, relaxed, scored goals and won games. Levy knew that was all it was (I didn't to be fair, I thought he might be given a chance as his record was pretty good, glad that didn't happen!) and he got rid of him and got Poch -- best thing the club has done in my time supporting Spurs.

 

[DTA]

I think the players just needed the break from AVB's style and it happened to be Sherwood who provided it for them -- he gave them freedom to express themselves, which in hindsight was down to him not having a clue how to do anything else. They did that, relaxed, scored goals and won games. Levy knew that was all it was (I didn't to be fair, I thought he might be given a chance as his record was pretty good, glad that didn't happen!) and he got rid of him and got Poch -- best thing the club has done in my time supporting Spurs.

Massively glad we got rid of him and got poch as well. I think he is unfairly vilified on here. But fudge me am I glad we got rid of him and got poch.

 

[Jurgen the German]

Good point, that was the third defeat under AVB that season, they were the only three though. Also it’s west ham, they always turn up against us, City and liverpool spanked us under sherwood in the reverse fixtures too iirc.

He had a system he was determined to employ, he’d done the same the previous season which worked, when we won games under AVB you could see why, there was a framework, a very very similar framework to that which Poch employs now, admittedly with a much stronger squad.

On your last point, I think it’s a crime that they are talked about so similarly or that anyone could consider sherwood an upgrade, AVB is a qualified and knowledgeable coach with a clear understanding of the game and ideas on how to exploit the opposition, sherwood is a fudging macaron with no qualifications, however you feel about AVB, he was certainly qualified to take the job, sherwood wasn’t even close.

I don't begrudge a coach having a preferred method of playing or gameplan, but have some fudging different ideas as well and tailor/adapt them when needed depending on the oppisition you are up against, for example, don't play a suicidal high line at home to a pacey Liverpool attacking unit with Michael Dawson playing at the heart of the defence who isn't renowned for his pace.

It's amazing how two people could have such a different interpretation of a coach's style of play/tactics. I barely see any similarity between AVB and Poch, in fact, I'd say it does Poch a huge disservice. Even during AVB's first, more succesful season, we looked bereft of ideas going forward and didn't look like scoring until Gareth Bale steps forward and scores another screamer out of nothing. I truly wonder if we have ever scored as many goals from outside the box as we did that season. I accept that Poch has a more talented squad than AVB had but we create far more chances and look more dangerous going forward and don't rely on dominating possession to win games. Three great examples of this were Liverpool, Dortmund and Real Madrid this season when Poch wasn't too bothered about conceding the majority of possession to the opposition as this meant we could hit them on the break. More importantly, we are 100% better defensively. We play a high line but that is where the similarities end. We are now well drilled and better positionally individually and as a unit.

I think AVB COULD become a top coach if he learned to become less stubborn with his tactical approach. It appears that he also has a tendency to rub people the wrong way so perhaps he could improve his people skills.

 

[nayenezgani]

I don't begrudge a coach having a preferred method of playing or gameplan, but have some fudging different ideas as well and tailor/adapt them when needed depending on the oppisition you are up against, for example, don't play a suicidal high line at home to a pacey Liverpool attacking unit with Michael Dawson playing at the heart of the defence who isn't renowned for his pace.

It's amazing how two people could have such a different interpretation of a coach's style of play/tactics. I barely see any similarity between AVB and Poch, in fact, I'd say it does Poch a huge disservice. Even during AVB's first, more succesful season, we looked bereft of ideas going forward and didn't look like scoring until Gareth Bale steps forward and scores another screamer out of nothing. I truly wonder if we have ever scored as many goals from outside the box as we did that season. I accept that Poch has a more talented squad than AVB had but we create far more chances and look more dangerous going forward and don't rely on dominating possession to win games. Three great examples of this were Liverpool, Dortmund and Real Madrid this season when Poch wasn't too bothered about conceding the majority of possession to the opposition as this meant we could hit them on the break. More importantly, we are 400% better defensively. We play a high line but that is where the similarities end. We are now well drilled and better positionally individually and as a unit.

I think AVB COULD become a top coach if he learned to become less stubborn with his tactical approach. It appears that he also has a tendency to rub people the wrong way so perhaps he could improve his people skills.

This is just sooooo rich... There's no response I can conceive that would do it justice.

 

[Jurgen the German]

@nayenezgani obviously doesn't do irony

 

[Jurgen the German]

I think the players just needed the break from AVB's style and it happened to be Sherwood who provided it for them -- he gave them freedom to express themselves, which in hindsight was down to him not having a clue how to do anything else. They did that, relaxed, scored goals and won games. Levy knew that was all it was (I didn't to be fair, I thought he might be given a chance as his record was pretty good, glad that didn't happen!) and he got rid of him and got Poch -- best thing the club has done in my time supporting Spurs.

That's exactly how I saw it too. He did an OK job, not great but not as bad as lot of people make out. Everyone knew he wouldn't last longer than the end of the 2013/14 season. Hasn't exactly pulled up any trees since he left, is he even managing now?

 

[Jurgen the German]

Massively glad we got rid of him and got poch as well. I think he is unfairly vilified on here. But fudge me am I glad we got rid of him and got poch.

For the most part, it's AVB's fans that vilify Sherwood. To some, AVB is their SAF. Whoever replaced him was going to get short shrift, the fact that it was Sherwood who admittedly is a bit of a joker made that transition exponentially worse.

 

[Robspur12]

For the most part, it's AVB's fans that vilify Sherwood. To some, AVB is their SAF. Whoever replaced him was going to get short shrift, the fact that it was Sherwood who admittedly is a bit of a joker made that transition exponentially worse.

Absolutely this.

 

[nayenezgani]

It's Sherwood's staunchest supporters who refuse to acknowledge just how severe a blight he was on our club.

I don't give a fudge about AVB, he had his chance and had potential, but he blew it.. I do give a fudge about a manager setting a horrible example as leader and figurehead of the club I love.

It's a sacred position and needs to be treated as such. Sherwood was and still is a stain, he epitomises everything that's wrong with the perception of football in England.

A snake oil salesmen in every sense and a horrible human to boot.