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Football and Homophobia

JPBB said:
Are you saying there should be "some" tolerance of homophobia?

I do not think the Police or the courts would accept that view.
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Sadly you cant make people think in a certain way and locking them up won't change that either.
You can only show them another way of looking at things.
I have been severely disabled from birth and some of the discrimination I have witnessed is quite shocking.
But education is slow and it takes tolerance from ALL side to progress.

So the likes of Aurier shouting 'Oi! cripple' or whatever needs some 'tolerance' or 'patience', is a better word, on my part or he and his kind will never learn.
 
I don't know if he is a homophobe but he did use a Homophobic slur. I would suggest that the LGBT community would be well placed to say if this causes them offence or not and they have been vocal enough.

That said I am happy for Spurs to sign the player as long as some outreach around LGBT rights is done and he expresses some remorse at offending said community.
 
StephenH said:
Sadly you cant make people think in a certain way and locking them up won't change that either.
You can only show them another way of looking at things.
I have been severely disabled from birth and some of the discrimination I have witnessed is quite shocking.
But education is slow and it takes tolerance from ALL side to progress.

So the likes of Aurier shouting 'Oi! cripple' or whatever needs some 'tolerance' or 'patience', is a better word, on my part or he and his kind will never learn.
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You choose to be tolerant and patient but I do not think you should have to.

If someone discriminates against you because you are disabled then they should be punished. I appreciate you are a forgiving and generous person but surely if as society we tolerate low level discrimination, it can become entrenched in our society making it harder to change. See how the low level, childish and hurtful anti-gay posts here and in the Aurier thread are encouraged and accepted by all but a very few people.
 
are we not being a little bit precious, we were having similar discussions on the usage of the word Yid - there are certainly some in the Jewish community who are offended by its use but we argued successfully that its intent as well as usage.
 
JPBB said:
You choose to be tolerant and patient but I do not think you should have to.

If someone discriminates against you because you are disabled then they should be punished. I appreciate you are a forgiving and generous person but surely if as society we tolerate low level discrimination, it can become entrenched in our society making it harder to change. See how the low level, childish and hurtful anti-gay posts here and in the Aurier thread are encouraged and accepted by all but a very few people.
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Punish people for not being well educated and or having a low IQ, do you really think this will solve bigotry?
Have you not then just joined them?
Aurier is an African male who 'may' have been surrounded by such bigotry all his life.
At 23 he is still growing up believe me!
Let him go to a club over here and maybe, just maybe he will see an alternate view on certain aspects.
 
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r-u-s-x said:
are we not being a little bit precious, we were having similar discussions on the usage of the word Yid - there are certainly some in the Jewish community who are offended by its use but we argued successfully that its intent as well as usage.
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So, for instance, a Liverpool fans says "I hate yids". You are ok with that? If the same man says "I hate faggots". Are you still ok with that.

I am not ok with either.
 
LutonSpurs said:
I don't know if he is a homophobe but he did use a Homophobic slur. I would suggest that the LGBT community would be well placed to say if this causes them offence or not and they have been vocal enough.

That said I am happy for Spurs to sign the player as long as some outreach around LGBT rights is done and he expresses some remorse at offending said community.
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Not sure you can say that. A word in one culture can have a different meaning in another.
Mancunians use c.o.c.k as a friendly term. Call some geezer c.o.c.k in a Glasgow pub and see what happens.
It not the word.
 
r-u-s-x said:
we were having similar discussions on the usage of the word Yid
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I was listening to a Richard Herring podcast with David Baddiel, who claimed something like "I don't actually believe in being offended, I think you can choose to be offended but that is your choice".... oh dear David, what about your huge Y-word campaign?
 
glasgowspur said:
Not sure you can say that. A word in one culture can have a different meaning in another.
Mancunians use c.o.c.k as a friendly term. Call some geezer c.o.c.k in a Glasgow pub and see what happens.
It not the word.
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Indeed. "Tøs" is term for a sexually uninhibited girl in Norwegian, but just a word for girl in Danish. "Rar" means "strange" in Norwegian, but "cute" in Swedish and "nice" in Denmark. In Denmark the official word for a person from Spain is "spanjakk", which is considered a bit of a demeaning word for a Spanish person in Norwegian, but when I asked my former girlfriend's Danish/Spanish friend if he was a "spanjol" (the Norwegian word for a person from Spain), they all stopped eating and calmly told me "you can't say that here".

I could go on with the Scandinavian language, the languages are very similar, but a lot of words have for various reasons gotten different meanings over the years.
 
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JPBB said:
So, for instance, a Liverpool fans says "I hate yids". You are ok with that? If the same man says "I hate faggots". Are you still ok with that.

I am not ok with either.
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Yes but the argument that has been stated in French the word means Homosexual and also Bitch so your argument does not really equate. I don't speak French so I cant say for certain which he meant but as he said the latter I will believe him.

(*indecently I am ok with anyone saying I hate Yids at a Tottenham match as long as they don't also sing about being tight, gassed, foreskin etc. It can be used as a label for spurs fans distinctly from a slur for Jews -its only when the two are equated that I have a problem)
 
LutonSpurs said:
I don't know if he is a homophobe but he did use a Homophobic slur. I would suggest that the LGBT community would be well placed to say if this causes them offence or not and they have been vocal enough.

That said I am happy for Spurs to sign the player as long as some outreach around LGBT rights is done and he expresses some remorse at offending said community.
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Being serious for a second I think what you said is key.

Bring him in if he is a good player then help him to grow as a person. We are all growing and improving as people as we age through experience. I am sure Aurier will understand gay people better if he does some community events with them.

I have to say I did not want us to sign vardy as I do not rate him but I thought the same with him and the racism, surely if we give the more serious criminals a second chance in society then we have to give the ones that say stupid stuff or commit hate crimes a second chance. I think the is sometimes and over reaction in football. Not defending anyone saying prejudiced things but in a liberal society where we give people a second chance I think it would be wrong to not sign him on the basis of what he said.
 
r-u-s-x said:
(*indecently I am ok with anyone saying I hate Yids at a Tottenham match as long as they don't also sing about being tight, gassed, foreskin etc. It can be used as a label for spurs fans distinctly from a slur for Jews -its only when the two are equated that I have a problem)
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That is a subtle distinction. What happens if someone calls you a yid on a matchday but not in the stadium. Say at Finsbury Park station. Is that still ok?

These type subtleties have been tested with the N-word (the whole rappers use it differently). And they have been consistently rejected as a justification for racism.

I do not accept the suggestion that the potential subtle difference is in the word makes it ok. He is a homophobe. And will be playing at right back for us.
 
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