Danny Rose

[ricky2tricky4city]

Nope, I think that they'll start to inch up once the total cost for the stadium is known ie when its be completed. Til then, we have a huge sensitivity in our business plan - a 10% increase in cost creates a £80m hole

I thought you said you didn't have any problem with anything he said. I'm confused.?

 

[K.D.D.D.D.Soc]

I just get annoyed by people who are willing to spend other people's money on projects that have no guarantee of success without any detailed knowledge of the financial position of the club or what plans they have. If people have followed this club for any length of time they should know how the club operates and to continue moaning about it will not change it. We all have opinions and it's right to share them, but surely they must see if we sign ever flavour of the month player and pay the ridiculous salaries other clubs are willing to to every player there will be trouble.

If we were owned by someone who didn't care what it cost them to win major trophies I would agree with their views but we don't and my fear is that if we don't have a good season our own "Wenger/Kronkie Out" cult will appear.

 

[the dza]

The club isn't being defeatist with regards paying more wages -- ours have been rising over the years and I'm guessing the whole point of us building a new stadium is to rinse the corporate money, raise revenues and be able to pay even higher wages.

My hope is, we can start paying higher wages sooner rather than later so that we can keep our best players, or at least keep more of them.

 

[Spur of the moment]

100% this. I think many of us would like to just move on. BUT Poch s track record suggest otherwise, even in the face of rose being arguably the best LB in the league, Poch is strongly principled and Roses immediate future is very much in our hands.

The 'son of poch' has gone feral. This will massively upset Poch, mainly because he will want to forgive but his principals will overide everything. One way or another Rose is done at spurs. Imo.

You may be right alternatively Poch may choose to follow the Fergie line in the way he manages his players. Shooting their mouths off to the media often spelt curtains at OT but not always. Remember when Rooney went public with his criticisms it was sorted in-house and ended up with him getting a substantially improved contract. Poch and Rose have something of a special relationship so my guess is knowing his LWB for the hothead he can be his manager will give him a right good talking to telling him there's no chance of him being sold any time soon but that if shows contrition, knuckles down and commits to regaining his place in the team then we can start talking about his future and an improved contract.

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

You may be right alternatively Poch may choose to follow the Fergie line in the way he manages his players. Shooting their mouths off to the media often spelt curtains at OT but not always. Remember when Rooney went public with his criticisms it was sorted in-house and ended up with him getting a substantially improved contract. Poch and Rose have something of a special relationship so my guess is knowing his LWB for the hothead he can be his manager will give him a right good talking to telling him there's no chance of him being sold any time soon but that if shows contrition, knuckles down and commits to regaining his place in the team then we can start talking about his future and an improved contract.

I hope you're right as that's what i would like to happen.

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

Who played in his position from January last season and how did we do?
No revisionism. Yes, a tremendous asset when fit and adjusted, but the notion that he is even the sixth most important player at the club is wide of the mark. Well wide. In fact, saying we will be 'worse' for it about a player who played no part in our season after January (one which saw us finish higher than ever and with the best defensive record in the league) is revisionism in my book.


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And to add to that, although it could be argued that we'd miss certain players more than others, i think there is plenty of examples, and therefore evidence, that the system trumps everything. We had periods last year with Toby,Kane,Rose,Dembele,Walker,Jan not playing but still racked up 86 pts. And what helps that is keeping the players, the group together as much as possible and as every month passes more and more becomes second nature.

I truly believe that some of ours players would not 'look' as good at other clubs.

 

[milo]

My hope is, we can start paying higher wages sooner rather than later so that we can keep our best players, or at least keep more of them.

I really doubt that the extra income from the new stadium will be sufficient for us to match the salaries that the richer clubs pay. Even if it did, most of them are not trying to run sustainably, so they could just increase them beyond us again.

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

I really doubt that the extra income from the new stadium will be sufficient for us to match the salaries that the richer clubs pay. Even if it did, most of them are not trying to run sustainably, so they could just increase them beyond us again.

Indeed. Realistically in the next 5 seasons the best we can do is try and surpass Liverpool and Arsenal. Man Utd are still way in the distance and if Chelsea and Emirates Marketing Project keep their current set-up may as well be in outer space.

It's so tough being one of six teams that are genuine title contenders in a league. Compare that to Germany, Spain etc.

 

[the dza]

I really doubt that the extra income from the new stadium will be sufficient for us to match the salaries that the richer clubs pay. Even if it did, most of them are not trying to run sustainably, so they could just increase them beyond us again.

But we can hopefully get to a point where only a handful of clubs can beat us for wages, which gives us more chance of keeping our players happy.

 

[parklane1]

I just get annoyed by people who are willing to spend other people's money on projects that have no guarantee of success without any detailed knowledge of the financial position of the club or what plans they have. If people have followed this club for any length of time they should know how the club operates and to continue moaning about it will not change it. We all have opinions and it's right to share them, but surely they must see if we sign ever flavour of the month player and pay the ridiculous salaries other clubs are willing to to every player there will be trouble.

If we were owned by someone who didn't care what it cost them to win major trophies I would agree with their views but we don't and my fear is that if we don't have a good season our own "Wenger/Kronkie Out" cult will appear.

There is already one of them mate ( about Levy anyway) i remember going back a few seasons and seeing two ( yes two) dingdongheads standing outside the ground with one ( yes one) Levy out banner. To be honest i started to feel a little sorry for them at the abuse they were getting from the vast majority of fans as they passed.

 

[Legohamster]

wrong thread

 

[milo]

But we can hopefully get to a point where only a handful of clubs can beat us for wages, which gives us more chance of keeping our players happy.

Domestically, we are there now. It will be tough to match the clubs with higher wage bills. As @ricky2tricky4city says, getting close the Liverpool and Arsenal would be an achievement but realistically, we are not in much danger of losing players to them anyway.

 

[the dza]

Domestically, we are there now. It will be tough to match the clubs with higher wage bills. As @ricky2tricky4city says, getting close the Liverpool and Arsenal would be an achievement but realistically, we are not in much danger of losing players to them anyway.

You do raise an interesting point really, because even with the new stadium, we won't match the wages of the clubs who are able to persuade our players to leave us for them eg Real Madrid. So if all we can hope for is a small advantage or parity with Liverpool and Arsenal, teams we are better than anyway, then what is the point in getting into hundreds of millions of pounds worth of debt and knocking our old stadium down? Seems a lot of aggro for not a lot of gain, other than a bit more capacity (which could have been done with the old stadium if capacity for the average fan was the only consideration).

 

[parklane1]

You do raise an interesting point really, because even with the new stadium, we won't match the wages of the clubs who are able to persuade our players to leave us for them eg Real Madrid. So if all we can hope for is a small advantage or parity with Liverpool and Arsenal, teams we are better than anyway, then what is the point in getting into hundreds of millions of pounds worth of debt and knocking our old stadium down? Seems a lot of aggro for not a lot of gain, other than a bit more capacity (which could have been done with the old stadium if capacity for the average fan was the only consideration).

So that we can compete on the wages front with the likes of Arse and L'Pool is a good enough reason. As you say we will probably never be able to beat the wages that the doped clubs offer but we NEED the new stadium to push us nearer them.

 

[AjaxDeSuperYids]

This was brewing before then and is not connected to the sale of Walker by any more than them sharing an agent.

Also selling Walker was not a mistake. The manager wanted him gone, are you saying that we should have gone against the manager's wishes and forced him to work with a player that he did not want?

Yes - Daniel Levy has ultimate control and he should have taken control of the situation and sat Poch and Walker down and got them to sort it out.

I love Poch but at times he is showing himself to be too ruthless and inflexible. When a world class player plays up you can't apply the same methodology as a benteleb or townsend.

This should have been sorted out as it's massively to our detriment that we don't have Walker in our team and squad. To make matters worse he went to city!

He had four years left on his contract so to me there is no excuse.

And I don't buy this brewing nonesense otherwise they wouldn't have all signed contracts on improved terms very recently. The players in the squad who signed recent contracts have got no basis to complain. Players who have relatively poor terms on a deal signed 3 years ago is understandable but hardly any of our players are in that boat.

Everyone tho now looks at how Walker got his move and will simply do the same.

I stand by my view that selling Walker to city was a huge error and I remain furious about it.

 

[parklane1]

So the fact Poch wanted him out does not bother you?

 

[DeleHarry]

I really doubt that the extra income from the new stadium will be sufficient for us to match the salaries that the richer clubs pay. Even if it did, most of them are not trying to run sustainably, so they could just increase them beyond us again.

i dont think anyone is saying we have to match what the rich clubs are paying, but instead to raise at least a few key ones. Alderweireld, Eriksen and Dele should be at or just over the 100k a week mark. Its a matter of making them feel valued whilst they are here. They are putting in the effort week in week out, the club has been challenging for the title for the last 2 years and someone like Eriksen only recently jumped from 35k a week to 70k a week.

we know that someone like Harry could get 300k a week at Man Utd, City or Chelski. He knows this. However whilst he is banging in over 20 goals a season at Spurs surely we can pay him the best salary possible, even if its lets say 150k a week. He is one of the top strikers in world football. He will feel appreciated even if he knows he can get more elsewhere.

the players know the financial restrictions at Spurs, but there is a feeling that the club is running things a little too strictly on the salary side. Our best players are going to leave one day, most of us know this, but the club can make a bit more effort to reward the players which will go towards keeping them just a little longer

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

You do raise an interesting point really, because even with the new stadium, we won't match the wages of the clubs who are able to persuade our players to leave us for them eg Real Madrid. So if all we can hope for is a small advantage or parity with Liverpool and Arsenal, teams we are better than anyway, then what is the point in getting into hundreds of millions of pounds worth of debt and knocking our old stadium down? Seems a lot of aggro for not a lot of gain, other than a bit more capacity (which could have been done with the old stadium if capacity for the average fan was the only consideration).

Two reasons really.
1. the stadium revenue stream is ours , forever. Other streams may not be so sweet in the future.
2. if, for arguments sake , we get to parity with what arsenal/Liverpool can offer, then we can not only raise our wages but also have room to pay the 1 or 2 players that are real difference makers (Sanchez,Suarez etc), that on top of the current setup could push us all the way.

 

[the dza]

Two reasons really.
1. the stadium revenue body of running water is ours , forever. Other bodies of running water may not be so sweet in the future.
2. if, for arguments sake , we get to parity with what arsenal/Liverpool can offer, then we can not only raise our wages but also have room to pay the 1 or 2 players that are real difference makers (Sanchez,Suarez etc), that on top of the current setup could push us all the way.

Yeah good points. The TV bubble bursting would hurt everyone and who knows, with PSG going crazy with the cash, maybe something will be done about owner money distorting the game so much. In that scenario, the stadium revenue would really change things.

 

[milo]

Yes - Daniel Levy has ultimate control and he should have taken control of the situation and sat Poch and Walker down and got them to sort it out.

I love Poch but at times he is showing himself to be too ruthless and inflexible. When a world class player plays up you can't apply the same methodology as a benteleb or townsend.

This should have been sorted out as it's massively to our detriment that we don't have Walker in our team and squad. To make matters worse he went to city!

He had four years left on his contract so to me there is no excuse.

And I don't buy this brewing nonesense otherwise they wouldn't have all signed contracts on improved terms very recently. The players in the squad who signed recent contracts have got no basis to complain. Players who have relatively poor terms on a deal signed 3 years ago is understandable but hardly any of our players are in that boat.

Everyone tho now looks at how Walker got his move and will simply do the same.

I stand by my view that selling Walker to city was a huge error and I remain furious about it.

You think that the chairman should force his manager to keep a player that he feels is disruptive? Madness and could potentially undo all of the good work that we have done.