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*** OMT Tottenham Hotspur v Chelsea Rent Boys F.A Cup SF ***

milo said:
I think that all it would have taken was for a few of our players to get in Atkinson's face during breaks in play and ask him how many of those is he going to let go before he does something and ask if we are allowed free hits too.
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We did start getting in his face but not until around 80 minutes in when it was too late.

Even a very lenient card policy, properly encated would have had at least 3 Chelsea players walking tightropes for the whole of the 2nd half. Would have made a massive difference.
 
scaramanga said:
I don't think the ref even gave most of them as fouls, many were waved on.
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Deliberately so imo, if not they would have to have been booked on the totting up.
Call me paranoid but is that why the tv now shows the crowd, benches, overhead planes, anything to avoid highlighting refs errors?
 
glasgowspur said:
Deliberately so imo, if not they would have to have been booked on the totting up.
Call me paranoid but is that why the tv now shows the crowd, benches, overhead planes, anything to avoid highlighting refs errors?
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I don't know, maybe.

I remember every time the camera came back to their player who had committed the foul, I expected to see the graphic showing that a yellow card had been shown - just assumed I'd missed it happening in the red mist.
 
scaramanga said:
We did start getting in his face but not until around 80 minutes in when it was too late.

Even a very lenient card policy, properly encated would have had at least 3 Chelsea players walking tightropes for the whole of the 2nd half. Would have made a massive difference.
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I agree. Given that he booked Toby early, we had a valid reason to ask him to ref both sides the same.
 
there was a passage of play where the ball was pinging around the midfield and both sides were fouling each other, the ref had lost it completely, its a miracle a leg didn't get broken as things were escalating quickly
 
Maybe Walker would have helped with this. He is one of our most experienced players and can be quite vocal.
 
scaramanga said:
We don't need to change the way we play, we can do it all off the field.

In the run up to the match Poch could say "Last time he reffed us in a semi final he was weak and got a lot of decisions wrong. This time we expect him to give all the decisions Chelsea's way, so we'll have to be significantly better than them."

Put all the pressure on the ref ahead of the match and ensure that he can't help the opposition like he did.

If he does it anyway, he can say something like "Clearly Atkinson hasn't been bought by dodgy Russians, i think he's too honest for that. But if he had been bought, that's precisely how his performance would have looked."

Keep himself the right side of the FA, but really pressurise the authorities into watching people like him carefully.
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Poch is a gentleman , a likeable guy, it's just not his way to complain about referees and heap added pressure on them pre match. But I hear you, he should do when clams like Atkinson are officiating our games.
 
wiziwig said:
Poch is a gentleman , a likeable guy, it's just not his way to complain about referees and heap added pressure on them pre match. But I hear you, he should do when clams like Atkinson are officiating our games.
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he doesn't have to do it himself, one of the players could do it, or a coach or former player

the club should have someone on staff coordinating this kind of thing and setting the interviews up with the press
 
galeforce said:
he doesn't have to do it himself, one of the players could do it, or a coach or former player

the club should have someone on staff coordinating this kind of thing and setting the interviews up with the press
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I don't think I've ever heard any of Poch's coaching staff talk, have you?

Maybe we should employ Roy Keane?:)
 
wiziwig said:
Poch is a gentleman , a likeable guy, it's just not his way to complain about referees and heap added pressure on them pre match. But I hear you, he should do when clams like Atkinson are officiating our games.
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There are other ways. We could have done with (primed) a Spurs friendly journalist to allude to Atkinson's previous, for example. If it was out there, I didn't see it.
We are seeing a bit more from Poch in terms of mind games. I think part of his managerial learning curve will be that as much as he might want to win and retain the moral high ground, there are times when you have to loosen your principles. I don't want him to turn into Fergie or Mourinho like characters - but yet you can't totally disassociate their success from their rhetoric.
In a perfect world - or even just a relatively, if not perfectly, fair world, that wouldn't be necessary. But football isn't played in such a world.
 
Anyway, after all what's said about the match, we just cannot forget the sadness that had engulfed the club, just a day before the game. We just don't know how badly some of our players took it. Some of them may not even have slept a wink on Friday night.

I'm proud of them for their efforts under these circumstances.
 
StephenH said:
Using the ref as reason or mitigation for the outcome of match is somewhat lame.
We lost as we let in two more goals than we scored and that's all.
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Football is a game of very, very fine margins. Even 3-0 or 4-0 matches could go the other way with just a couple of minor incidents happening or not.

If one team can go into every tackle recklessly and dive as much as they like without fear of punishment, whilst the other team knows that two 50:50 tackles and they'll be off, that is the difference between a win and a loss.
 
wiziwig said:
I don't think I've ever heard any of Poch's coaching staff talk, have you?

Maybe we should employ Roy Keane?:)
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I take your point, Freund is still on the staff though right, so's Ledley, we have recognisable figures we could use for this.

Even if it yields a single point more over a season it would justify a salary to someone.
 
milo said:
I think that all it would have taken was for a few of our players to get in Atkinson's face during breaks in play and ask him how many of those is he going to let go before he does something and ask if we are allowed free hits too.
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The trouble is, we are still too nice at times.

Case in point, one of their players was down midway through the first half (not a head injury). All around me were screaming to play on, what did we do? Kick it into touch. And to compound it all, Atkinson restarted with a drop ball which end up with Lloris 60 yards back....

Roles reversed, what would have happened? I think we all know the answer to that
 
wiziwig said:
Anyway, after all what's said about the match, we just cannot forget the sadness that had engulfed the club, just a day before the game. We just don't know how badly some of our players took it. Some of them may not even have slept a wink on Friday night.

I'm proud of them for their efforts under these circumstances.
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Agree. There's no way this could not have impacted them in some way. And there is still the funeral to deal with, so there are still emotional times ahead.
 
paxtonwolf said:
The trouble is, we are still too nice at times.

Case in point, one if their players was down midway through the first half (not a head injury). All around me were screaming to play on, what did we do? Kick it into touch. And to compound it all, Atkinson restarted with a drop ball which end up with Lloris 60 yards back....

Roles reversed, what would have happened? I think we all know the answer to that
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The rules about head injuries have completely cleared up the question about whether or not teams should put the ball out.

If the opponents are that concerned about their player they should stand aside and let us score to stop the match as quickly as they can. If not conceding a goal is more important than the health of their player, then play on.
 
scaramanga said:
Football is a game of very, very fine margins. Even 3-0 or 4-0 matches could go the other way with just a couple of minor incidents happening or not.

If one team can go into every tackle recklessly and dive as much as they like without fear of punishment, whilst the other team knows that two 50:50 tackles and they'll be off, that is the difference between a win and a loss.
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It's still lame because as we all know it's a lottery. look at the poor sod that was sent at Hull a joke.
I moan about refs all the time but it is a total waste of time.
 
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