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Harry Redknapp: The Aftermath

Would you keep Arry after the Season?

  • Yes - He's done well and should be given at least one more season to consolidate our team

    Votes: 25 53.2%
  • No - he's peaked and would hold us back.

    Votes: 22 46.8%

  • Total voters
    47
Mentioning other clubs paying "ridiculous wages" etc etc is slightly different from saying people forget where Tottenham should be.

3rd is where we should be. 8 weeks ago that was the "least" he wanted. Now finishing outside the top 4 wouldn't be a failure. Funny that,seeing as it now looks likely.
 
Really then, you're just lamenting his use of the English language or failing to interpret his words how they were intended - which is pretty much what Golfball said much earlier in the thread:

And be replied to asking where they have been for the last 20 years ?

FFS this is a joke trying to take everything Redknapp says out of context or exaggerate it. You know full well what he means, its not that bad. It seems people are going to any lengths to have a go at HR, no matter how silly/petty they look.

And in case you didnt understand his point, he is saying for 20 years we have been mid table, you dont jump to title winners over night. Therefore "people forget where they should be" quite clearly means at this moment in time we should be progressing from a consistent mid table to a consistent top 5, and then hopefully in the future to top 3. So if you had given harry a plan when he joined, our current position is spot on for where we should be.
 
Anyone left still want Harry to stay? I must have been one of his last supporters and I want him sacked now. Anyone think he should stay?
 
9 games isnt enough to sack someone mate.

what about all the other games prior?

I'd say the other games prior is more reason to sack him.

You don't take such a talented squad, pick up results like we did earlier in the season, then monumentally fudge it up like he has since the start of 2012, something is clearly wrong, and i want him gone.
 
Harry's experimenting with tactics

All I can say, is why?

We were brilliant in the first half of the season playing 4-4-1-1. We played that system home and away, regardless of the opposition. And it worked.

It all went wrong when Lennon got injured didn't it? Then we started fudging about playing multiple players out of position because we didn't have like for like cover. Our performances became stuttering. Some of our players (Bale, I am talking about you) started thinking they could do it all and rather than play in their natural positions they started to roam and our already awkward balance was destroyed.

So Lennon comes back and does Harry switch to a 4-4-1-1? No. He fudges around and keeps playing 4-5-1 away from home (and we wonder why we haven't won this calendar year). And the one time he does play 4-4-2? He does so without a holding midfielder! Simply crazy....

And today? When we need to get back to basics to get at least a point against a QPR team that has been massively impressive at home? We play a brand new system. 4-2-3-1 and didn't we look a fudging mess. Even when we changed it at half time and brought Lennon on we didn't play 4-4-1-1. We kept playing 4-2-3-1. Then we finally switched to 4-4-1-1 and what happens? Bale is playing on the right, only still not really playing wide at all, and Lennon goes left.

It's not hard. Harry said earlier in the season that football is a simple game and he is right. And it's simple what we need to do. Play 4-4-1-1 with Lennon and Bale playing and STAYING fudging wide for the majority of the game. Is it really that tough to see?!! No 4-5-1, no 4-2-3-1.

Harry we can still do this but you HAVE to stop fudging about experimenting and play 4-4-1-1 for the remaining 4 games. We ARE capable of winning them, but we have to get back to the system that got us in the position of challenging for top four in the first place.
 
http://www.glory-glory.co.uk/showthread.php?1246-False-Memories

It seems most people blame our poor run of results on Harry tinkering too much, and changing a winning forumla.

But looking back, the team's been changed regularly throughout.

I'll discount the first two games as half our current team was missing.

Wolves 2-0 > 4-4-2 > despite missing both Lennon and VDV. Niko played on the right, Ade and Defoe up top.
Liverpool 4-0 > 4-4-2 > this time VDV came on for Niko at half-time.
Wigan 2-1 > 4-4-1-1 > Ade up front, VDV behind him, Sandro and Parker in the middle, and Luka on the right.
Arsenal 2-1 > 4-4-2 > Ade and Defoe back up top, VDV on the right.
Saudi Sportswashing Machine 2-2 > 4-3-3 > Ade up top, VDV and Bale supporting, Livermore in with Luka and Parker.

> So 5 good results and performances on the trot, despite missing Lennon, playing 3 different systems, and playing Sandro and Parker together against Wigan (where we played some fantastic football).

Blackburn 2-1
QPR 3-1
Fulham 3-1
Villa 2-0

> For 4 games in a row we then played the 'classic' 4-4-1-1 - Lennon back on the right, Ade up top, VDV behind him, Luka and Parker in the middle. We dominated QPR and Villa, but were dominated by Blackburn and Fulham and arguably didn't deserve even draws, let alone wins.

West Brom 3-1 > 4-4-2 > Were missing VDV and Modric, so replaced them with Defoe and Sandro. An excellent away performance despite missing Luka and VDV, and playing Parker and Sandro together in the middle.
Bolton 3-0 > 4-4-2 > Luka came back in for Sandro. Cahill sent off after 15 minutes made this one easy at home against a relegation candidate.
Stoke 1-2 > 4-4-1-1 > Back to the 'classic'. Played well and didn't deserve to lose, but got Foyed.
Sunderland > 1-0. ? > Not sure what we played here. Bale was missing and was replaced with Sandro, suggesting a 4-3-3. Pav came on for Lennon though after 27 minutes. Parker, Sandro and Modric all started.

> Again, a mixture of formations and lineups. Lost the only game in which we played 'the classic', though we were robbed.

Chelsea 1-1 > 4-3-3 > Ade, Bale and VDV supported by Sandro, Parker and Modric. Lennon out again. Pav came on for VDV at half-time.
Norwich 2-0 > 4-3-3- > Same starting lineup as previous game. Dominated Norwich, as Bale began 'the roam'.
Swansea 1-1 > 4-3-3 > Same system again. Swansea were the better team.

> Played the same 4-3-3 system 3 games in a row, with mixed results.

West Brom 1-0 > 4-4-2 > a return to 4-4-2, as VDV shifted out to the right and Defoe came in for Parker. Comfortable win.
Everton 2-0 > 4-4-1-1 > Almost 'the classic' as Lennon was back, but Livermore and Modric started in the middle. As they did against Norwich... We were level with United at this point.

> 2 wins with 2 different formations and lineups.

Wolves 1-1 > 4-4-1-1 > 'The classic' was back as Parker replaced Livermore. Dropped points here, but absolutely dominated Wovles.
Emirates Marketing Project 2-3 > 4-4-1-1 > 'The classic' again. Almost snatched the win, but ultimately got 0 points.

> 1 point out of 6 for 'the classic'.

Wigan 3-1 > ? > Again, not sure exactly what we did here. Niko came in for Lennon, I assume in a 4-4-1-1, but Livermore came on for Rafa after 30 minutes. A 4-3-3 with Niko and Bale supporting Ade? Either way, an easy win.
Liverpool 0-0 > 4-3-3? > Ade up top, Niko and Bale supporting, Livermore in with Luka and Parker in midfield. Quite a cautious, tense game. Not a bad result at the time.
Saudi Sportswashing Machine 5-0 > 4-4-2 > Memories..... Ade and Saha up top, Niko and Bale out wide, Luka and Parker in the middle.

3 good results with 3 different formations and lineups.

Arsenal.... Where the downward spiral arguably began.

What is the point of all this?

There seems to be a perception, admittedly that I also had, that for most of our good run we played consistently 4-4-1-1 with Luka, Parker, Bale, Lennon, VDV and Ade. But actually we only played it four times in a row, then once against Stoke, then twice in a row against Wolves and City. Out of those 7 games we won 4, lost 2, drew 1. And against Blackburn and Fulham we were by far the worse team.

We didn't play 'the classic' 16 times, and had 12 wins, 4 draws and 0 losses.

A lot of the things that we've been complaining about - missing Lennon and / or VDV, switching lineups and systems from game-to-game, playing Sandro and Parker together, playing Livermore and Modric together etc - were constantly happening throughout the season, when we were on such a high.

When results start to go wrong, everyone naturally starts to make arguments for why. And tactics / lineups etc is probably the easiest thing to blame it on. But I think the above shows that our lineups and formations in this dip aren't really very different to those during our great run.

I think the difference is more to do with a tough run of games, a bit of bad luck (our recent performances against City, United, Everton, Stoke and Chelsea were all better than our earlier ones against Swansea, Fulham & Blackburn for example) and then, probably most importantly, the ensuing loss of momentum and confidence.

I'd be surprised if anyone reads all of this, but it's given me time away from two essays so it's served its purpose!
 
It doesn't make a difference what formation we play, we're not going to win games with Defoe up front on his own.
 
I've said this all season, but for some bricky reason we need a rotation policy. When we have no depth rotation policies don't work.
 
No system on Earth can get our confidence back. Only practising well-rehearsed training ground moves and set-pieces, and forming a coherent offensive plan. Doesn't matter what formation it's in.

You just try doing that with the coaches we have at our disposal, though. The mates of mates of Harry's mates.
 
All I can say, is why?

We were brilliant in the first half of the season playing 4-4-1-1. We played that system home and away, regardless of the opposition. And it worked.

It all went wrong when Lennon got injured didn't it? Then we started fudging about playing multiple players out of position because we didn't have like for like cover. Our performances became stuttering. Some of our players (Bale, I am talking about you) started thinking they could do it all and rather than play in their natural positions they started to roam and our already awkward balance was destroyed.

So Lennon comes back and does Harry switch to a 4-4-1-1? No. He fudges around and keeps playing 4-5-1 away from home (and we wonder why we haven't won this calendar year). And the one time he does play 4-4-2? He does so without a holding midfielder! Simply crazy....

And today? When we need to get back to basics to get at least a point against a QPR team that has been massively impressive at home? We play a brand new system. 4-2-3-1 and didn't we look a fudging mess. Even when we changed it at half time and brought Lennon on we didn't play 4-4-1-1. We kept playing 4-2-3-1. Then we finally switched to 4-4-1-1 and what happens? Bale is playing on the right, only still not really playing wide at all, and Lennon goes left.

It's not hard. Harry said earlier in the season that football is a simple game and he is right. And it's simple what we need to do. Play 4-4-1-1 with Lennon and Bale playing and STAYING fudging wide for the majority of the game. Is it really that tough to see?!! No 4-5-1, no 4-2-3-1.

Harry we can still do this but you HAVE to stop fudging about experimenting and play 4-4-1-1 for the remaining 4 games. We ARE capable of winning them, but we have to get back to the system that got us in the position of challenging for top four in the first place.

That's my biggest beef with Redknapp, we are to negative away from home. When we play at the lane, we go for it, no matter who the opposition is, we should adopt the same style of play away from WHL. It took Emirates Marketing Project to score two goals against for us to finally have a go at Eastlands. Constantly switching Bale and Lennon is just fudging clueless!
 
It doesn't make a difference what formation we play, we're not going to win games with Defoe up front on his own.

and Modric was more important than Ade to most on here?

Without Ade we're fudging disgusting. Defoe as a lone striker is garbage that offeres nothing...NOTHING....fudge ALL. He runs a little, loses the ball, runs a little more, doesn't even get in the box, can't hold up? i mean we might as well start with 10 men.

Without Modric we'd still get by with Sandro and Parker but without Ade it's a rap. Anyway please please please please please please please please Arry go you utter joke of a human being.
 
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