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It Evens Itself Out Over A Season - The Ref's A ****
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indianspur
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I just saw a pic which shows that the ball did go over the line - or so it looked.
its nowhere near over the line
this is over the line
superspurs
Justin Edinburgh
Photoshopped possibly, don't know just looks odd.
I'm more for the system, they use in Rugby. Whenever there is a goal ask the 4th official "Is there any reason why I should award a goal"
Baleforce
Ron Henry
fudge challenges/reviews, get the technology right and they won't be needed, we can produce guns that can trim a squirrels public hair from 14 miles away without him dropping his acorns, we can track a size 5 over a 5 inch line
Exactly, no logical reason why technology hasn't been introduced into football
suffolkspur
Ben Thatcher
I really cant see what in that photo makes it look like the ball has gone over the line. I must be missing something. Either way theres no way Atkinson could have been certain it had done (which it didnt) so photo or no photo its kind of a nil point in my opinion.
Midfield Maestro
Gheorge Popescu
I just saw a pic which shows that the ball did go over the line - or so it looked.
that has been photoshopped
watch this vid at 2:33
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQSTEwZ5vWo
goes nowhere near the line, f****** robbed
Rorschach
Sonny Walters
That photo has been doctored. The bottom of the post has been redrawn. See the fuzzy edge on the top half of the post and the sharp edge on the the bottom part. Also the curve of the bottom part of the the post is wrong. Anyway I didn't need to see that to tell me it wasn't a goal. I just used my eyes.
If a yellow is given for a cynical professional foul after the play has continued, the intent remains. No official is going to give a red card based on the feeling that Cech meant[/i] to deny a goalscoring opportunity, so the rules don't let them anyway.
The thing is, we scored, so he didn't just deny a goalscoring opportunity, even if there was a rule for attempting to deny a goalscoring opportunity, it'd probably only be a yellow anyway. Most unsporting fouls are yellows.
If Bale would have jumped into the air/stopped running/etc and the ref gave us the penalty (which judging from his performance today, he might not have, he may have just claimed we wasted our advantage), we might have missed it anyway (there was a small but still significant chance), so we might have had a game like the Europa League game when we had to try to break down 10 men and we'd have needed 2 goals, not just 1.
We wouldn't have lost 5-1, but winning wasn't totally certain either, they might have had one break and got a penalty themselves or something stupid.
As huge as that moment was, we didn't get fudged by it. It was the correct* decision.
* The rule itself is open to debate, but the rule currently says we can't have a goal and their goalkeeper sent off.
chicken_badge
Gudni Bergsson
Big decisions against us: Enough is enough.
I know I'm looking at this through Spurs-tinted specs, but I cannot help but feel we have had more than our fair of massive decisions go against us this year. I'm thinking big but bad calls, real examples of inept refereeing. Enough is enough.
Last year, I emailed the FA via their "have your say" page and asked for clarification - why was VDV booked for doing the shhhhh celebration in front of the Emirates, whilst Arsharvin did the same thing in front of the Paxton in the earlier Carling Cup tie - as he does every blue moon when he scores - and got nothing. At first I thought I was being fobbed off when the reply came back saying "we are drawing this to the attention of our referee liaison Mike Riley" but I did actually get a personalised reply from the former ref a few days later (He explained that VDV was aiming his celebration at the Arsenal fans where as Arsharvin was not spacing the Spurs fans... I'd still raise the question why that celebration right in front of Spurs fans on all sides, but that's by the by).
So Id like to email them again, point out the numerous examples of severely bad refereeing that have cost us this year, and challenge them to do something about this. Quite what, I don't know.... But I feel positively cheated that, with the amount of time and money I invest into this team, and the respect I am expected to show, a group of people are so so bad at their job.
If any of you can help with either the detail of below, or add in other key examples (for and against spurs, I'd like to provide a balanced view) then I would be grateful.
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The only significant decision like this for us was the sending off of Cahill(?) at home to Bolton in the league. However, I believe we were 1-0 up at the time, in hardly the most crucial game of the season. The other big decision we got was VDVs "handball" in the home league game against Arsenal, although I don't think this was blatant - did Arsenal even contest it at the time?
Against us, I have:
Stoke away - Crouch handballs to set up Stoke goal; Shawcross handballs Kaboul shot on the line, no penalty/red card (gets a yellow that leads to a sending off for pointing out the bleeding obvious to Foy); Adebayor wrongly adjudged offside ruling out a goal.
Chelsea home - Cole? Handball in direct run up to goal.
Wolves home - Adebayor wrongly adjudged offside again
Emirates Marketing Project away - Balotelli kicks Parker in the head in front on referee Howard Webb. No foul. Balotelli stays on the pitch, scores winning goal.
Man U home - Adebayor penalised for handball costing us a goal - even though the previous week an identical decision was given against us (help me out please someone, can't remember the details?)
Chelsea FA Cup - Mata shot does not cross the line, or go anywhere near the line. Linesman tells Bale he didn't think it was in. Referee Martin Atkinson does not see ball cross the line (it is impossible, as the ball didn't!) but chooses to award goal.
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Like I said, this might be coming from a biased view point. But I'd like to have the argument ready, to challenge the FA. Or be ready to comment on Talksport, or just to have something ready to throw back at the gloaters at work tomorrow. It might not achieve much, but at least I'll feel better!
I know I'm looking at this through Spurs-tinted specs, but I cannot help but feel we have had more than our fair of massive decisions go against us this year. I'm thinking big but bad calls, real examples of inept refereeing. Enough is enough.
Last year, I emailed the FA via their "have your say" page and asked for clarification - why was VDV booked for doing the shhhhh celebration in front of the Emirates, whilst Arsharvin did the same thing in front of the Paxton in the earlier Carling Cup tie - as he does every blue moon when he scores - and got nothing. At first I thought I was being fobbed off when the reply came back saying "we are drawing this to the attention of our referee liaison Mike Riley" but I did actually get a personalised reply from the former ref a few days later (He explained that VDV was aiming his celebration at the Arsenal fans where as Arsharvin was not spacing the Spurs fans... I'd still raise the question why that celebration right in front of Spurs fans on all sides, but that's by the by).
So Id like to email them again, point out the numerous examples of severely bad refereeing that have cost us this year, and challenge them to do something about this. Quite what, I don't know.... But I feel positively cheated that, with the amount of time and money I invest into this team, and the respect I am expected to show, a group of people are so so bad at their job.
If any of you can help with either the detail of below, or add in other key examples (for and against spurs, I'd like to provide a balanced view) then I would be grateful.
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The only significant decision like this for us was the sending off of Cahill(?) at home to Bolton in the league. However, I believe we were 1-0 up at the time, in hardly the most crucial game of the season. The other big decision we got was VDVs "handball" in the home league game against Arsenal, although I don't think this was blatant - did Arsenal even contest it at the time?
Against us, I have:
Stoke away - Crouch handballs to set up Stoke goal; Shawcross handballs Kaboul shot on the line, no penalty/red card (gets a yellow that leads to a sending off for pointing out the bleeding obvious to Foy); Adebayor wrongly adjudged offside ruling out a goal.
Chelsea home - Cole? Handball in direct run up to goal.
Wolves home - Adebayor wrongly adjudged offside again
Emirates Marketing Project away - Balotelli kicks Parker in the head in front on referee Howard Webb. No foul. Balotelli stays on the pitch, scores winning goal.
Man U home - Adebayor penalised for handball costing us a goal - even though the previous week an identical decision was given against us (help me out please someone, can't remember the details?)
Chelsea FA Cup - Mata shot does not cross the line, or go anywhere near the line. Linesman tells Bale he didn't think it was in. Referee Martin Atkinson does not see ball cross the line (it is impossible, as the ball didn't!) but chooses to award goal.
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Like I said, this might be coming from a biased view point. But I'd like to have the argument ready, to challenge the FA. Or be ready to comment on Talksport, or just to have something ready to throw back at the gloaters at work tomorrow. It might not achieve much, but at least I'll feel better!
Sheffield Spur
Øyvind Leonhardsen
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
You make your own luck.
Ade/Rafa should have put us ahead.
Redknapp should have not pulled our pants down and begged to be rapped by going 4-4-2.
We shouldn't leave ourselves in a position where we're able to become victims.
Ade/Rafa should have put us ahead.
Redknapp should have not pulled our pants down and begged to be rapped by going 4-4-2.
We shouldn't leave ourselves in a position where we're able to become victims.
NaijaSpurs
Rafael Van Der Vaart
It was a shocking decision I think we all degree. But that should not excuse our feeble performance, we gave away another 3 goals for fcuk sake
Kind of like when Man Utd were awarded a dodgy decision against us. Sure another shocking decision but that does not justify our pathetic capitulation after they scored from the penalty
Kind of like when Man Utd were awarded a dodgy decision against us. Sure another shocking decision but that does not justify our pathetic capitulation after they scored from the penalty
NaijaSpurs
Rafael Van Der Vaart
If we had lost 2:1 we could have maintained the moral high ground despite defeat, but loosing 5:1? WTF