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OOMT: Spurs vs Woolwich Nomads

DubaiSpur said:
I don't think they are ignorant to this, but I do think that they really can't deal with it and are struggling to cope with the expectations and the pressure. It's a Spurs thing, which our inexperience only adds to.

We can help by not adding any more expectations to the list already upon them. Top four first, title talk is premature and, given our weaknesses, more than a bit short-sighted. Top four is achievable, but is also surprisingly challenging: as I mentioned, we'll need 4 wins, 3 draws and 2 losses to get to 70, and 5 wins, 2 draws and 2 losses to get to 73. That isn't a cakewalk, not when you look at our fixture list.

If we keep labouring under title delusions and (consequently) suffering from pressure, we might fall between two stools and not make the top four either. It's not impossible, given United's climb and the unpredictability of this season.

That would be an utter disaster. Hence, focus on securing what we have first (which, by itself, would be a great achievement, more so if we finish on 73 points and achieve our record points total) before indulging in flights of fancy.
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That's why I (in the same post you quoted) said "This season is transitional (it really is!) and if we make it into the ECL then more the joy for us."

But we are still in a title race!
 
Arsenal have quality players and can make you pay even with 10 men. They just needed one chance which they were always going to get.

Such a shame from an emotional level. The ground was flying when harry scored. Great atmosphere, hought we were going to get a couple more. Then it all comesorted crashing down .
 
Sandman said:
The team is young. They fought but nothing was coming off. Scum came with a plan and it worked to a certain degree. That goal that was a millimetre from a goal is just nuts. We played average at best but created more chances. They took the only two they had.

Loris has cost us three points this week. It feels like a defeat but we deserved to win. We can still win the league. The players will learn from these games.

I still believe.
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It's a shame the opportunity to win the title came this season because my head tells me this team is not ready yet. We have not won enough decisive games or snatched enough victories where a draw was more likely, to convince me that we yet have what it takes to be champions, I truly hope I am wrong. The problem is I will be gutted if either Leicester or Arsenal win it because in reality they are not playing better than we are over the course of the season. Leicester have an extraordinary resilience about them and Arsenal are always there or there abouts. Any way we have a tough run in so let's wait and see.
 
DubaiSpur said:
This. Our defending was sub-par all game (Wimmer was particularly shaky, although he redeemed himself excellently with that last-second tackle on Ramsey at the death that preserved our dignity and a point), but Lloris was shaky today, and Ospina outperformed him. I'm sure he's aware of this, however.
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he did, but more through luck than judgement, balls were bouncing off ospina in all directions, he didn't know to much about most of them and was lucky time and time again that the ball fell safe
 
Papercut said:
That's why I (in the same post you quoted) said "This season is transitional (it really is!) and if we make it into the ECL then more the joy for us."

But we are still in a title race!
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We are, but I'd really rather we weren't, since it doesn't seem to be helping the team much. :)
 
Just logged on to see some critism if Lloris.
People need to analyse his GK style - he goes early with shape alot,which is why he saves some things that most GKs would "almost save".
Occasionally, like today, a scuffed/bobbling shot will catch him out because it's not possible to change body position.
But the number of times we get the benefit of it far far outweigh the odd time it doesn't come off.
 
I thought we were OK

Not outstanding but certainly the better side

They scored with two shots on target and both were hopeful strikes - a back heel and a bounce in front of the keeper

It happens and it can happen again

brick result for both sides and Leicester gained
 
DubaiSpur said:
We are, but I'd really rather we weren't, since it doesn't seem to be helping the team much. :)
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Well we lose and we're out of the title race and potentially top 4. Your damned if you do and...

The pressure is on no matter what. If Leicester lose today then it's back on.

Enjoy the unusual ride man!
 
galeforce said:
he did, but more through luck than judgement, balls were bouncing off ospina in all directions, he didn't know to much about most of them and was lucky time and time again that the ball fell safe
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That save from Lamela was magnificent, though. As was the save from Kane's shot that nearly went in. I think he did well today. To be honest, the first thing I thought when I heard that Cech was injured was 'b*llocks, now their no-name reserve keeper will do a Krul and make fifty wonder-saves before becoming sh*te again in the next game'. Ospina nearly proved that assertion right before our twenty minutes of brilliance after the sending-off.
 
galeforce said:
yeah, all true, lots of mistakes were made today and the defending for both goals was very very poor

but, both shots went straight through him, I'm sure he'll be very angry with himself
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The first one is never on Lloris.

An unmarked backheel type flick from about 6 yards that went into the ground and bounced up. Never.

The second, I think so.
 
Papercut said:
Well we lose and we're out of the title race and potentially top 4. Your damned if you do and...

The pressure is on no matter what. If Leicester lose today then it's back on.

Enjoy the unusual ride man!
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I'm reminded of a memorable passage narrated by Harry Pearson about this:

'A Saturday lunchtime a month or so later, I’m on the Tyne and Wear Metro. At a gaunt looking man in his late fifties, wearing a grey tweed coat and a black-and-white scarf got on. A bloke in a Saudi Sportswashing Machine shirt already in the carriage greeted him warmly. “How are doing, nowadays?” He asked. The other man smiled, “Much better, much better,” he said, “I had the six month check and I got the all-clear.”

The other man expressed his happiness at the good news. “Aye,” the first man said and fingered the black-and-white scarf around his neck, “Mind I’ve still got the agony of watching these bastards”.

The other man grimaced, “It’s been painful,” he said, “Really painful”.

“If I hadn’t been to the doctors that much recently,” the first man said, “I’d be round there now begging some tablets for it” the first man said. “Something to wean me off them, like.”

The second man said, “Boots the Chemist ought to make some patches”.

There followed a brief exchange in which the pair tried to raise the mood by talking about Paolo Di Canio, but it was plain their hearts weren’t in. The train pulled into Monument. “You getting off here?” the man in the black-and-white scarf asked. The other man shrugged, sighed and said, “I was hoping not too. But, aye, come on, let’s go and take our punishment like men”.

Were these men fans? Definitely. Yet anyone listening to them would have come away with the impression that the only time they’d get behind their team was if they were perched on the edge of a cliff and only needed a nudge to send them over and into the sea below.

Perhaps it’s an age thing, but to me this sort of mordant exasperation, a feeling of being driven mad, seems to me to be as much supporting a football team as naming your children after the forward line, or getting a portrait of the club’s all-time greatest player tattooed on your back.'

http://harrypearson.blogspot.ca/2015/08/accentuate-negative.html

Sums it up, really. :)
 
In around T-minus 2 hours Steff will come roaring into this thread telling everyone to buck up and that he has no doubts we will stiffen our spines, starch our shirt-fronts and march to glory across no man's land, bullets whizzing by our heads, bayonets thrust out front, stare fixed on the distant horizon
 
DubaiSpur said:
Also, I am getting really f*cking annoyed by us going a goal up and then casually swanning around trying to slow the game down and play it across the back.

It's good game management, in theory. But we cannot implement it in practice, we're rarely good at it and at best it makes everyone in the ground nervous: at worst, it leads to ten-man Arsenal dominating us and scoring a deserved equalizer as we desperately try to hang on under siege in our own half.

A time will come when we are proficient at it. That time is not now.
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This is absolutely the point.

We let them back into the game. Alli has a chance to burn down the left side against Mertersacker, he dawdled, no doubt trying to prove to watching coaches and pundits he was mature beyond his years and knew how to "game-manage", but lost the ball and they broke. Rose could have taken throw ins quickly and forced Ozil and Sanchez to chase back, but he delayed.
Teams with belief are positive, especially when they have energy, which we clearly do.

The subs were correct, I think the players were taken off for good reasons. The personnel coming on was not up to it: Mason lunges and slides, what we need was composure laying the ball wide in order to stretch them. Carroll and Chadli might have been better. Calmer and would give us width.
Son was poor. His touch is not very good and he doesn't provide width. He can run, but doesn't win the ball. He is really a replacement for Kane, or if we need a goal CF with Kane playing A Deeney role.
Width or wide players would have closed this game with A switcher in the middle, too many back passes, in general leading to our own downfall.
I think we will see a team doing that for us against Dortmund.
 
Bullet said:
In around T-minus 2 hours Steff will come roaring into this thread telling everyone to buck up and that he has no doubts we will stiffen our spines, starch our shirt-fronts and march to glory across no man's land, bullets whizzing by our heads, bayonets thrust out front, stare fixed on the distant horizon
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:) Fair, but I genuinely prefer that to some of the less useful 'holier than thou' contributions here made by certain posters for whom the result is absolutely irrelevant, just as long as it allows them to rant at their fellow fans with amusing predictability.

As for going over the top, this is more appropriate given the historical precedents for Spurs and..well, what we're susceptible to when the time comes to put our money where our mouths are. :)

 
Just look at Lamela today. Here he is single handed deciding he's taking that ball back.


We really lost something when he went off. I said at half time leave him on regardless. If you were listening to BT Sport you'd think he committed foul after foul and was tethering on the edge. But Lamela is smarter than that. He only committed one foul in the entire game. And he was booked for that. In the end Dier was the one who was close to getting the red. But I thought the ref was lenient enough today. Coquelin only went off because the ref let him away with the late tackle on Kane after 8 minutes. With a different ref he would have went off in the first half.
 
IMO Lloris not a fault for either goal. Others more culpable: for the first poor ball back by Dier, then Toby goes back toward goal line, rather than just mark and block Ramsey', in so doing he insights Lloris.
2nd: possible both Dembele and Rose had knocks, so not able to keep line or appppppy pressure on passer. So Sanchez gets shot off which actuall goes into corner.
Our shooting bar Kane's outstanding goal was pretty much straight at Ospina. Although he was good and is quite close in ability to Cech, was also fortunate..
 
Totally agree modric, anyone got a gif of his card? Looked extremely harsh to me, no way wellbeck was getting where near that ball
 
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