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Suarez - Serial Biter

I agree, leg breaking challenges and headbutts are much worse, give me a choice between recieving a headbutt and recieving a bite and i know which id choose.I dont really understand why its such a large ban.I guess as you say because its the "unique" ness of it and the 3rd time he's done it and they are under pressure to make it a lengthy ban this time.

biting can give you a disease! In Suarez's case Rabies. This is not some minor misdemeanor and moreover he had done it 3 times. Why are we comparing it to head butts? Neither has a place on a football pitch. Perhaps we should be saying if you headbutt players on 3 different occasions the punishment should be the same. Leg breaking tackles can happen as part of the game. The other 2 have no place on a football pitch and should be dealt with severely. Can't believe this is even a discussion.
 
Btw when we talk about head butts in football we are generally referring to the little ***** touching of heads a la pepe and Muller. Which frankly are pathetic rather than dangerous. No comparison with sinking teeth into someone.
 
You can tell its instinctive, he see's red for a split second and just does it without thinking, and regrets it the second its happened.Its not right but it dosn't make him a bad person.
I don't see any regret for his actions. This week he tried to suggest during the game and afterwards that he had been elbowed. I am not aware of him ever accepting culpability for his actions in the past either.

I think that he does these things on purpose to get players sent off and gain a competitive advantage.
 
i think i'm in the minority in thinking that this ban is way too harsh. i don't think these three bites are too different to headbutts, other than that you see headbutts more frequently in football matches. had this had been luis suarez's third headbutt of his career, i don't think the ban would have been as harsh.

personally, i think there are far more worse actions in football. such as two footed tackles, where the offender can only be aiming to genuinely hurt the opposition. and these don't get punished anywhere nearly as severely as suarez has been. i would have banned him for 4-6 matches maximum, on the basis that i do not see a difference between this offense, and other offenses that deserve 3-6 game bans.

i think suarez is a "victim" of a bite being such as unique thing to do on a football pitch. as well as fifa being under a lot of pressure (for other reasons)

The potential direct physical harm to the opponent is not the only factor here.

To take it to an absurd extreme, if a player got his **** out and started stroking it on the pitch there's not much chance of physical damage to other players (unless the player is Malbranque), but you would still expect a harsh punishment.

Slightly less absurd, who was the player with the advertising on his underwear getting a fine? People were saying at the time that those fines were smaller than racism fans (aimed at associations), but again the situations aren't directly comparable.

Back to on the pitch football related stuff, a dangerous tackle might be correctly punished by a yellow card. The last man pulling down a striker by the shirt as he's through on goal probably gets a red card. Much more potential for direct physical harm on the first one, essentially no chance on the second one. The punishment isn't directly proportional to the potential for physical harm, nor should it be.

You might argue that this is too harsh, but for me he got a handful or so games in Holland, he got 10 games at Liverpool and now he's gotten 20-ish games. If he does it again he might get a season? Either way the message is clear, you cannot keep biting people.

I agree, leg breaking challenges and headbutts are much worse, give me a choice between recieving a headbutt and recieving a bite and i know which id choose.I dont really understand why its such a large ban.I guess as you say because its the "unique" ness of it and the 3rd time he's done it and they are under pressure to make it a lengthy ban this time.

He put them under that pressure by biting people repeatedly.

I would rather receive a bite than a leg break, sure. But like I've outlined above the potential for physical harm isn't the only deciding factor when handing out punishments.
 
I don't see any regret for his actions. This week he tried to suggest during the game and afterwards that he had been elbowed. I am not aware of him ever accepting culpability for his actions in the past either.

I think that he does these things on purpose to get players sent off and gain a competitive advantage.

This seems likely to me and is part of the reason why harsh and escalating punishments are in order for this kind of thing.

It's very difficult for a ref to catch something like this in the game, it's a lot easier to catch an elbow or flailing arm hitting Suarez if the player being bitten isn't extremely cool at the time of the incident. How would you react if someone snuck up on you and bit you on the shoulder? Can anyone here say that throwing your arm back as an instinctual reaction wouldn't be fairly normal?

If that happens the player being bitten is the most likely to be sent off. And in a situation like the Uruguay - Italy game that could make a huge impact on the outcome. Even getting banned for the rest of the tournament could be worth the risk for a player in a situation like that, not all too dissimilar to the handball against Ghana.
 
This seems likely to me and is part of the reason why harsh and escalating punishments are in order for this kind of thing.

It's very difficult for a ref to catch something like this in the game, it's a lot easier to catch an elbow or flailing arm hitting Suarez if the player being bitten isn't extremely cool at the time of the incident. How would you react if someone snuck up on you and bit you on the shoulder? Can anyone here say that throwing your arm back as an instinctual reaction wouldn't be fairly normal?

If that happens the player being bitten is the most likely to be sent off. And in a situation like the Uruguay - Italy game that could make a huge impact on the outcome. Even getting banned for the rest of the tournament could be worth the risk for a player in a situation like that, not all too dissimilar to the handball against Ghana.

I could see why he hand balled against Ghana, although I dislike him doing it, but for the bite against Chiellini I can't comprehend his reasoning. He goes down afterwards, but he quickly leaves the scene because he knows he's going to be in trouble. He doesn't try to convince the ref he was elbowed. From my point of view it was a trigger response to hurt someone out of frustration.

All last season people spoke of his redemption, and how he was a changed character, which has now been proven to be complete and utter horse manure. He had no incidence of controversy because Liverpool had a fairly comfortable season. The Ivanovic bite was when they were chasing the game, the Chiellini bite the same. I don't think he does these things to cheat, I think he does them out of anger. If he can't win, he will hurt instead.
 
Uruguay apparently threatening to boycott the Colombia game.

Bye bye. Don't let the door hit your star on the way out.
 
Btw when we talk about head butts in football we are generally referring to the little ***** touching of heads a la pepe and Muller. Which frankly are pathetic rather than dangerous. No comparison with sinking teeth into someone.


Good point. This illustrates that headbutts are taken seriously. Even the hint of one is treated to a red card so people can't claim "I hardly touched him" and it did no damage.

The comparison shouldn't be used as an excuse for not punishing Suarez but a reason for using long bans and post-game review for serious headbutts. The same should go for any violent play, but unfortunately most bad tackles could be just badly timed tackles and one can't tell intent. People say they can tell it was deliberate but sometimes people make mistakes. If Ronaldo can miss sitters and Rooney slice a corner into the stands, a defender can mistime a tackle badly with no intent. The problem is how to tell the one's that are intended so they can get Suarez-style bans. The repeat offender criteria might work as if a player is really clumsy with no ill-intent then they should probably be out of the game.
 
Uruguay apparently threatening to boycott the Colombia game.

Bye bye. Don't let the door hit your star on the way out.

I heard this mentioned on TV last night too. They won't do it as FIFA see not fulfilling a fixture as about as bad a crime as there is. UEFA the same. Threatening to not play a fixture at club level is tantamount to gambling with the existence of the club, I've heard it said.

I mentioned this before but I can't understand the level of support Suarez is getting from all quarters. The crime is visible for all to see so why not just admit it and take your medicine? The level of denial around the event is baffling. Suarez should just say, "Yep I bit him, I was angry. From now on I'll work on my anger management with some of the best horse doctors in the world. Thanks and see you in 4 months."
 
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Perhaps 1 condition of his return is that someone watches just him from the sidelines & if he goes in to bite someone a vet is instructed to use a tranquilliser gun and take him out.
 
I heard this mentioned on TV last night too. They won't do it as FIFA see not fulfilling a fixture as about as bad a crime as there is. UEFA the same. Threatening to not play a fixture at club level is tantamount to gambling with the existence of the club, I've heard it said.

I mentioned this before but I can't understand the level of support Suarez is getting from all quarters. The crime is visible for all to see so why not just admit it and take your medicine? The level of denial around the event is baffling. Suarez should just say, "Yep I bit him, I was angry. From now on I'll work on my anger management with some of the best horse doctors in the world. Thanks and see you in 4 months."
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I think you're looking for an unlikely level of decency from the sort of scum who bites people.
 
i wonder if anyone at the dippers is thinking, my GHod, he's done that again and he's only banned till november, lets keep our heads down and think ourselves lucky it wasn't all season
 
From a Liverpool perspective I would be very upset by the reaction in Uruguay. They did well to manage his return and I assume it has something to do with the sports psychologist that works with them (Peters?). Yet as soon as he is away with Uruguay he reverts to type. The heroes welcome in Montevideo will only reinforce his view that he is did nothing wrong and is persecuted.

And if I was at Liverpool I would be thinking just like galeforce described, just hoping the Uruguay team, management and president would shut-up and stop making things worse.
 
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Re: World Cup Group D - Uruguay, Costa Rica, England, Italy

Luis Suarez: Barcelona still want to sign banned Uruguay striker

Barcelona remain keen on signing Uruguay's Luis Suarez despite his four-month ban for biting Giorgio Chiellini.

The Liverpool striker, 27, cannot take part in any football-related activity until the end of October.

Suarez bit the player during Uruguay's 1-0 win over Italy that saw them qualify for the World Cup last 16.

It is understood the La Liga club, who already have Neymar and Lionel Messi, would consider signing Suarez if they can get him at the right price.

At the right price. We saw how they dealt with Arsenal over Fabregas and I'd expect the same with Suarez. The don't take pride in breaking the world record the way Real do. With his age, unpredictability and poisonous brand, I can't see Madrid getting interested, although I suppose it's possible they might just to thwart Barca.
 
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I think you're looking for an unlikely level of decency from the sort of scum who bites people.

The problem is not even decency, its been ****ing smart enough to do "the right thing" even if it's a PR stunt.

My issue with the punishment is it really should have included some sort of mental help, biting people in a global sports event is a sign of something wrong.

BTW, who the **** thinks about biting people when they get angry? where does this **** come from?
 
The problem is not even decency, its been ****ing smart enough to do "the right thing" even if it's a PR stunt.

My issue with the punishment is it really should have included some sort of mental help, biting people in a global sports event is a sign of something wrong.

BTW, who the **** thinks about biting people when they get angry? where does this **** come from?

Children do, and cannibals I suppose.
 
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