Next Spurs Manager v.2

[The Portugeezer]

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The way I see it Rafa is a massive upgrade from Sherwood and AVB and I agree with Graham, he's the man to bring some silverware back to Tottenham.

 

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The way I see it Rafa is a massive upgrade from Sherwood and AVB and I agree with Graham, he's the man to bring some silverware back to Tottenham.

That being the case, have we ever tried to get him before?

Not really that shocking, to me at least, if he's be an upgrade over Sherwood (a rookie, in his first gig, inserted mid-season, in the PL).

But, what of AVB? I'm hearing that Levy, who appointed and fired both of them - one the dogs bollox, the other a clueless idiot - is an outstanding chairman.

So, did he ever try to get Rafa before? Or is he only now, cap in hand and licking his wounds, approaching him now as perhaps the 'least risky' option out there?

 

[billyiddo]

Dude rafa's football is so much better than Avbs. I don't even know how you can even try to argue it's not after the first half of last season.

Because the first 6 months of this season was not an end result - whereas with Benitez we know what he aims for and it aint pretty. If it brings success and leads on to better things i could probably swallow it though

 

[Superted]

Because the first 6 months of this season was not an end result - whereas with Benitez we know what he aims for and it aint pretty. If it brings success and leads on to better things i could probably swallow it though

You know, I've unsubscribed to the theory that a good football team is like a good casserole in that you need to let it simmer for as long as possible.

I'm not sure why we should accept that this wasn't how AVB wanted to play and that he had some sort of mastermind strategy in place, but it was going to take more than 18 months to bed in.

The next manager to a certain extent needs to hit the ground running hard.

 

[milo]

Because the first 6 months of this season was not an end result - whereas with Benitez we know what he aims for and it aint pretty. If it brings success and leads on to better things i could probably swallow it though

The biggest minuses for me with Benitez are:

His workman like football
He's not exactly known for bringing through youth players
Mourinho will relish a chance to make him lose his head again
He's a bit of a ***

 

[NWND]

Benitez just doesn't seem a good fit for the club to me. Just can't see it. Think we'd see a lot of players moved on and a lot more bought. There'd be a big shake up if Rafa got the job and I would have to go through his tenure not looking forward to seeing Spurs play again. After the complete indifference that AVB made come over me towards all things Spurs, then Rafa would probably be the straw that broke the camel's back. I'd probably just go and watch Bradford Park Avenue instead.

 

[Armchair Expert]

The biggest minuses for me with Benitez are:

His workman like football
He's not exactly known for bringing through youth players
Mourinho will relish a chance to make him lose his head again
He's a bit of a ***

The same Mourinho that could never get past his Liverpool teams in the CL?
People comparing Houllier's Liverpool reign to Benitez?
I must have missed those two champions league finals Liverpool got to in the season immediately preceding Rafa's reign :lol:

I agree though, his dour football and abject signings put me off big time. I hope he doesn't build a midfield fulcrum like Alonso and Mascherano for us. That would be terrible. I would definitely burn my house down in protest; possibly my neighbours as well.

In my opinion a team consisting of Torres in his prime, Gerrard, Mascherano, Alonso, Reina in his prime plus other disgusting signings like Arbeloa (who went to Real) really is dull as dishwater and about as interesting as Rep of Ireland under Jack Charlton minus the football.

Even at Napoli he brought in donkey workhorses like Higuiain. No thanks. And he is a bit of a *** too. Our fans wouldn't appreciate a gesture like donating 96k to the Hillsborough Trust for example. Pure tittishness if you ask me. The way he cracked under the intense pressure during his Chelsea time was weak as ****. Plus winning the EL under those conditions is the minimum that should be achieved with that Chelsea team, the fact that they needed extra time to do it more or less negates the trophy itself.

I'd much rather Pochettino. Why not Pepe Mel? Both got sacked for underperforming in Spain after moderate success that dissipated in the blink of an eye. Both have PL experience. I say Pepe Mel cone on down!

 

[Dicko]

We've had 226 pages of discussion here and one of the most important points raised regularly is the need for the next manager to be someone who we can all get behind.. LVG seemed like he could be that person but there is no way that Rafa is.

I can understand the desperation for someone who has won a few trophies but for me, supporting Spurs is about watching the games week in week out and trying to get enjoyment out of them, something that has been largely missing under AVB and Sherwood. I get that if Rafa was to grind out a League Cup win then some would be happy but I am sure there are many supporters here who would much rather put our eggs in the basket of someone who might have even the slighest potential to bring back the enjoyment to watching Spurs.

For those that want Rafa, could you honstly say that if we are grinding out wins (sitting on 1-0 leads etc.) you would be satisfied? Because AVB was grinding out victories and the minute we had a couple of bad losses the lack of attacking flair became the ammo to attack him and no doubt those same people will shouting for Rafa to go when it inevitably happens.

 

[NWND]

The same Mourinho that could never get past his Liverpool teams in the CL?
People comparing Houllier's Liverpool reign to Benitez?
I must have missed those two champions league finals Liverpool got to in the season immediately preceding Rafa's reign :lol:

I agree though, his dour football and abject signings put me off big time. I hope he doesn't build a midfield fulcrum like Alonso and Mascherano for us. That would be terrible. I would definitely burn my house down in protest; possibly my neighbours as well.

In my opinion a team consisting of Torres in his prime, Gerrard, Mascherano, Alonso, Reina in his prime plus other disgusting signings like Arbeloa (who went to Real) really is dull as dishwater and about as interesting as Rep of Ireland under Jack Charlton minus the football.

Even at Napoli he brought in donkey workhorses like Higuiain. No thanks. And he is a bit of a *** too. Our fans wouldn't appreciate a gesture like donating 96k to the Hillsborough Trust for example. Pure tittishness if you ask me. The way he cracked under the intense pressure during his Chelsea time was weak as ****. Plus winning the EL under those conditions is the minimum that should be achieved with that Chelsea team, the fact that they needed extra time to do it more or less negates the trophy itself.

I'd much rather Pochettino. Why not Pepe Mel? Both got sacked for underperforming in Spain after moderate success that dissipated in the blink of an eye. Both have PL experience. I say Pepe Mel cone on down!

I'd rather watch a Pochettino's Spurs finish 8th, than a Benitez Spurs winning the title. FACT.

 

[milo]

The same Mourinho that could never get past his Liverpool teams in the CL?
People comparing Houllier's Liverpool reign to Benitez?
I must have missed those two champions league finals Liverpool got to in the season immediately preceding Rafa's reign :lol:

I agree though, his dour football and abject signings put me off big time. I hope he doesn't build a midfield fulcrum like Alonso and Mascherano for us. That would be terrible. I would definitely burn my house down in protest; possibly my neighbours as well.

In my opinion a team consisting of Torres in his prime, Gerrard, Mascherano, Alonso, Reina in his prime plus other disgusting signings like Arbeloa (who went to Real) really is dull as dishwater and about as interesting as Rep of Ireland under Jack Charlton minus the football.

Even at Napoli he brought in donkey workhorses like Higuiain. No thanks. And he is a bit of a *** too. Our fans wouldn't appreciate a gesture like donating 96k to the Hillsborough Trust for example. Pure tittishness if you ask me. The way he cracked under the intense pressure during his Chelsea time was weak as ****. Plus winning the EL under those conditions is the minimum that should be achieved with that Chelsea team, the fact that they needed extra time to do it more or less negates the trophy itself.

I'd much rather Pochettino. Why not Pepe Mel? Both got sacked for underperforming in Spain after moderate success that dissipated in the blink of an eye. Both have PL experience. I say Pepe Mel cone on down!

Some interesting points and I'll come back to them later but are you disagreeing that there is history of Rafa losing it under pressure or that Mourinho would try and heap it on from day one if he got the Spurs gig?

 

[Finney Is Back]

All well and good except we got knocked out of the cups by Wham (turd), Benfica (we really should be beating them) and Arsenal (unacceptable).

Arsenal away where only Redknapp has got us a win in the last umpteen years and Benfica who are Europa league finalists, Portuguese league winners and perennial CL stalwarts? I'll give you West Ham though.... Although they had also recently gubbed us 3-0 in the league under AVB.

 

[DHSF]

I think if we do get Benny Hill in then it would be a shift in strategy IN MY VIEW. This will be about instant success rather than longevity IN MY VIEW. FDB I think seems a great fit - young, talented, ambitious, comes from a club where youth is inherent throughout and most of all HE WANTS TO COME.

 

[Finney Is Back]

The same Mourinho that could never get past his Liverpool teams in the CL?
People comparing Houllier's Liverpool reign to Benitez?
I must have missed those two champions league finals Liverpool got to in the season immediately preceding Rafa's reign :lol:

I agree though, his dour football and abject signings put me off big time. I hope he doesn't build a midfield fulcrum like Alonso and Mascherano for us. That would be terrible. I would definitely burn my house down in protest; possibly my neighbours as well.

In my opinion a team consisting of Torres in his prime, Gerrard, Mascherano, Alonso, Reina in his prime plus other disgusting signings like Arbeloa (who went to Real) really is dull as dishwater and about as interesting as Rep of Ireland under Jack Charlton minus the football.

Even at Napoli he brought in donkey workhorses like Higuiain. No thanks. And he is a bit of a *** too. Our fans wouldn't appreciate a gesture like donating 96k to the Hillsborough Trust for example. Pure tittishness if you ask me. The way he cracked under the intense pressure during his Chelsea time was weak as ****. Plus winning the EL under those conditions is the minimum that should be achieved with that Chelsea team, the fact that they needed extra time to do it more or less negates the trophy itself.

I'd much rather Pochettino. Why not Pepe Mel? Both got sacked for underperforming in Spain after moderate success that dissipated in the blink of an eye. Both have PL experience. I say Pepe Mel cone on down!

Well now you've gone and put it like that....

 

[Finney Is Back]

I think if we do get Benny Hill in then it would be a shift in strategy IN MY VIEW. This will be about instant success rather than longevity IN MY VIEW. FDB I think seems a great fit - young, talented, ambitious, comes from a club where youth is inherent throughout and most of all HE WANTS TO COME.

He would also perhaps seem the best fit with our new stadium on the horizon....

 

[DHSF]

It's almost as if the first half of 2013/14 is the only time we've been managed by AVB, or that Liverpool and Chelski were always free-flowing under Rafa.

Rafa and AVB to me are similar in that they are mainly defence first coaches that try and hit teams in short very controlled bursts. If we didn't like AVB's attempt at getting us top 4 using those methods and with our budgets (which Liverpool/Cheklsea's under Rafaa dwarfed on top of the fact that they both had CL pull on players etc) then we will not like it under Rafa.

Rafa managed teams top 4 stalwart teams in Liverpool and Chelsea and kept them ticking along; when was the last time he got a club like ours to break into the top 4? Pease don't say Valencia as they were CL regulars more or less when he started there. Yes he achieved two great La Ligas given the Barca-Madrid dominance but the footy was not something Spurs fans would/could tolerate.

Back in Benny Hills days, the league wasnt as competitive as it is nowadays. There isnt really a big four now, its a big six or seven with Everton coming into the mix. I would definitely fear Benny, im not undermining his achievements, more thinking long term. I mentioned earlier that it would be staggering if Levy appoints Benny considering that he didnt really like nor enjoy AVBs style of football. Its not learning lessons.

 

[Superted]

I'd rather watch a Pochettino's Spurs finish 8th, than a Benitez Spurs winning the title. FACT.

You're an idiot.

 

[NWND]

You're an idiot.

I'm an idiot? Or alternatively I'm just a football fan who loves football and not a spoilt brat who thinks the universe ends if you don't qualify for the Champions League, if your money grabbing captain doesn't get to hold some tin pot above his head, if we sell a player we bought for £10m for £86m to the biggest club on the planet- maybe I'm just not a slave to the tabloid headlines and SSN who inform us that our 6th place finish with the 7th biggest wage budget in the country is a disaster akin to the titanic.

Yes yes, I'm an idiot. Must be, I mean I actually think about our situation with my brain switched on rather than blindly read headlines and listen to what bored,bland ex pros have to say.

My vision for Spurs is what Southampton were last season, all in it together, punching above our weight, playing fantastic attacking football, playing with freedom and verve, fans behind the team. Clearly I'm an idiot for wanting this over a bland grind of a season trying desperately to chalk up some tin pot cups to wave at the bigger clubs and play mines bigger than yours.

**** me. No actually, **** you!

 

[Superted]

See, I think you think that but I know you don't mean that. I can guarantee you'll be front and centre of the bus parade, not sobbing in your cereal that the wrong man was holding a clipboard on the sidelines.

 

[Cotswold]

I'd rather watch a Pochettino's Spurs finish 8th, than a Benitez Spurs winning the title. FACT.

I find that extraordinary. I've been following Spurs since the 70s, have seen them win the UEFA Cup, FA Cups, etc, but I'd love to see us become a regular Champions League team. Weird isn't it how different people have such different priorities?

 

[Mumorn]

People need to move on with the ages. Success is important, not playing good football. Sure we would like to be successful playing good football but if you said you could have one or the other, it'd be success. Did I enjoy the football under AVB? It was the the best but **** me I didn't moan every single week, surely those that do have better things to do with their life?

Could just be me, but you give me 5 years with AVB and I could see at least one trophy, that's without playing his attractive football. You give me 5 years with Sherwood with his slightly better looking football and I could see nothing. I mean, **** me, with Redknapp we had what? 4 years of great looking football and he won us **** all.

At the end of the day though, like someone said, neither were good enough which is why they aren't here.