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Tim Sherwood…gone \o/
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Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
that's a fair assessment, IMV.
on paper Sherwood has done pretty well, but when you look a little deeper i don't think he's really forced his way in to being considered a realistic long term choice. which in fairness would have been a pretty tall order in such a short period of time and ideally id like to have seen how he fared over a full season, but for me it presents too much of a risk at this point for us to be putting faith in a manager so new to the game. (in terms of being a top flight manager)
that's a fair assessment, IMV.
on paper Sherwood has done pretty well, but when you look a little deeper i don't think he's really forced his way in to being considered a realistic long term choice. which in fairness would have been a pretty tall order in such a short period of time and ideally id like to have seen how he fared over a full season, but for me it presents too much of a risk at this point for us to be putting faith in a manager so new to the game. (in terms of being a top flight manager)
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Jamie Redknapp
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
Its amazing really, but the guy knows how to win from his playing days and seems to be applying it to his management skills. I still think he needs to learn his trade before getting a top 6 job. Todays performance was shocking, he's been pretty good when it comes to making changes when players have had poor games. If Paulinho starts the next game I would be amazed
Its amazing really, but the guy knows how to win from his playing days and seems to be applying it to his management skills. I still think he needs to learn his trade before getting a top 6 job. Todays performance was shocking, he's been pretty good when it comes to making changes when players have had poor games. If Paulinho starts the next game I would be amazed
BrainOfLevy
Michael Carrick
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
I don't think the circumstances he faced were that difficult. We had a good quality squad that was 6 months further in to their adaptation period and that had previously been learning to play a more controlled style of football. We've been playing more 'up and at em' and goals will always come that way.
I think because the players know he's off that they are playing for him. I don't think his achievements are that great either though. We've beaten who we should beat and comprehensively lost to the ones that require a bit more thought to get the win over.
I don't think the circumstances he faced were that difficult. We had a good quality squad that was 6 months further in to their adaptation period and that had previously been learning to play a more controlled style of football. We've been playing more 'up and at em' and goals will always come that way.
I think because the players know he's off that they are playing for him. I don't think his achievements are that great either though. We've beaten who we should beat and comprehensively lost to the ones that require a bit more thought to get the win over.
BrainOfLevy
Michael Carrick
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
I also don't get 'terrible performance, but the guy knows how to win'.
He could literally have done nothing different today and the team could have lost if Stoke took their chances. I think it's a completely meaningless point to make on a manager because they don't have THAT much control over everything.
I also don't get 'terrible performance, but the guy knows how to win'.
He could literally have done nothing different today and the team could have lost if Stoke took their chances. I think it's a completely meaningless point to make on a manager because they don't have THAT much control over everything.
DHSF
Les Ferdinand
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
Peoples views and opinions of TS has clouded their judgement unfortunately and like you say most of them are preconcieved - you only have to read through the posts when AVB was fired and TS was appointed.
Peoples views and opinions of TS has clouded their judgement unfortunately and like you say most of them are preconcieved - you only have to read through the posts when AVB was fired and TS was appointed.
DHSF
Les Ferdinand
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
No such thing anymore mate. Chelscum lost against Sunderland last week. Didnt they also lose against Stoke away? Man ****ty drew against Sunderland 2-2 yet we beat them the week before 5-1. Yet of course TS gets discredited because well.. he cant speak properly.
I think this season was all about accumulating points and getting as high as we can. Next stage to get rid of the ****e we have and yep we have some ****e, and get in key players in key positions have a full pre season (hindered by the world cup for sure) and 'start again'
No such thing anymore mate. Chelscum lost against Sunderland last week. Didnt they also lose against Stoke away? Man ****ty drew against Sunderland 2-2 yet we beat them the week before 5-1. Yet of course TS gets discredited because well.. he cant speak properly.
I think this season was all about accumulating points and getting as high as we can. Next stage to get rid of the ****e we have and yep we have some ****e, and get in key players in key positions have a full pre season (hindered by the world cup for sure) and 'start again'
Nigeyman
Chris Armstrong
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
Apparently he has the control to make us play like Barca 2006-2011 on steroids.....that argument can work both ways.
Apparently he has the control to make us play like Barca 2006-2011 on steroids.....that argument can work both ways.
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
The players are playing for him because they know he's leaving:ross: Some really can't possibly believe he might not actually be as unpopular with the players as he is on here....
The players are playing for him because they know he's leaving:ross: Some really can't possibly believe he might not actually be as unpopular with the players as he is on here....
Kingdawson
Banned
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
Since we all love stats so much, Sherwood's tenure compared against the same games last season:
Since we all love stats so much, Sherwood's tenure compared against the same games last season:
| Opponent | 2013/14 | 2012/13 |
| Southampton (A) | 3-2 | 2-1 |
| West Brom (H) | 1-1 | 1-1 |
| Stoke (H) | 3-0 | 0-0 |
| Man Utd (A) | 2-1 | 3-2 |
| Crystal Palace (H) | 2-0 | 2-1 (QPR) |
| Swansea (A) | 3-1 | 2-1 |
| Emirates Marketing Project (H) | 1-5 | 3-1 |
| Hull (A) | 1-1 | 3-1 (Reading) |
| Everton (H) | 1-0 | 2-2 |
| Saudi Sportswashing Machine (A) | 4-0 | 1-2 |
| Norwich (A) | 0-1 | 1-1 |
| Cardiff (H) | 1-0 | 0-1 (Wigan) |
| Chelsea (A) | 0-4 | 2-2 |
| Arsenal (H) | 0-1 | 2-1 |
| Southampton (H) | 3-2 | 1-0 |
| Liverpool (A) | 0-4 | 2-3 |
| Sunderland (H) | 5-1 | 1-0 |
| West Brom (A) | 3-3 | 1-0 |
| Fulham (H) | 3-1 | 0-1 |
| Stoke (A) | 1-0 | 2-1 |
| West Ham (A) | 3-2 | |
| Aston Villa (H) | 2-0 | |
| Points so far | 39 | 38 (44 in total) |
chancer
Gudni Bergsson
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
Billy, could you explain the risk to me?
> Maximum time wasted if it goes wrong: 1 season
> Amount of money we'd need to give him/he'd expect: Zero
> Difficulty/cost of sacking him: Zero
> Risk he doesn't get on with and/or can't work with DL/FB: Negligible, since they apparently get on now
> Risk of us getting relegated: Zero
> Risk of us not getting CL: Whatever it is, we've only ever done that once, so the risk is no greater than any other year
> Risk of losing out on a top tier manager: Zero - Poccetino is currently top man in the running, and since he's not elite level like LvG or CA, there's nobody from the top tier that a Sherwood appointment would be blocking. FdB free next summer? Cheerio Tim.
> Long term damage if he sucks: Negligible. 1 season of failure after 52 years in a row of failure makes no difference.
And the flipside: Look at each of those points above and answer them for Poccetinho:
> Maximum time wasted if it goes wrong: 3/4 season contract
> Amount of money we'd need to give him/he'd expect: A new manager would expect significant funds to rebuild squad in his own image
> Difficulty/cost of sacking him: The cost of his contract + the emotional trauma of going through another sacking + the risk of his signings being Felleini'd after he leaves + the bad will of tapping up SCBC again + risk of losing Sherwood who might be good and we'll never know + squad upheaval
> Risk he doesn't get on with and/or can't work with DL/FB: Who knows, but the risk is certainly there.
> Risk of us getting relegated: Zero
> Risk of us not getting CL: Who knows? It's rolling the dice. Again.
> Risk of losing out on a top tier manager: Significant - if FdB, Ancelotti or FSW becomes available, we can't appoint him because we've just got our new guy in on 4 year contract. FdB free next summer? Ashburton Grove is just up the road there Frank.
> Long term damage if he sucks: Who knows, but AVB did quite a bit of damage with the mess he left behind, as did several of our failed appointments.
So I do need this risk thing explained to me by someone.
Billy, could you explain the risk to me?
> Maximum time wasted if it goes wrong: 1 season
> Amount of money we'd need to give him/he'd expect: Zero
> Difficulty/cost of sacking him: Zero
> Risk he doesn't get on with and/or can't work with DL/FB: Negligible, since they apparently get on now
> Risk of us getting relegated: Zero
> Risk of us not getting CL: Whatever it is, we've only ever done that once, so the risk is no greater than any other year
> Risk of losing out on a top tier manager: Zero - Poccetino is currently top man in the running, and since he's not elite level like LvG or CA, there's nobody from the top tier that a Sherwood appointment would be blocking. FdB free next summer? Cheerio Tim.
> Long term damage if he sucks: Negligible. 1 season of failure after 52 years in a row of failure makes no difference.
And the flipside: Look at each of those points above and answer them for Poccetinho:
> Maximum time wasted if it goes wrong: 3/4 season contract
> Amount of money we'd need to give him/he'd expect: A new manager would expect significant funds to rebuild squad in his own image
> Difficulty/cost of sacking him: The cost of his contract + the emotional trauma of going through another sacking + the risk of his signings being Felleini'd after he leaves + the bad will of tapping up SCBC again + risk of losing Sherwood who might be good and we'll never know + squad upheaval
> Risk he doesn't get on with and/or can't work with DL/FB: Who knows, but the risk is certainly there.
> Risk of us getting relegated: Zero
> Risk of us not getting CL: Who knows? It's rolling the dice. Again.
> Risk of losing out on a top tier manager: Significant - if FdB, Ancelotti or FSW becomes available, we can't appoint him because we've just got our new guy in on 4 year contract. FdB free next summer? Ashburton Grove is just up the road there Frank.
> Long term damage if he sucks: Who knows, but AVB did quite a bit of damage with the mess he left behind, as did several of our failed appointments.
So I do need this risk thing explained to me by someone.
SoundAndVision
Michael Brown
Re: Do you want Tim Sherwood to stay as manager?
no thanks.
no thanks.
DHSF
Les Ferdinand
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
I am one who thinks TS should stay, and made no qualms about it but thats more because im not 'anyone but TS' phalanx. Im being pragmatic and looking at the options and none are out there that appeals to be of a high standard. Id be very interested in FDB and think eh is a realistic choice for the season after. I totally agree with your post and the risk is that TS would keep the status quo and pick up points but not the best performances. Which is fine as at that time we can get rid and bring in someone like FDB.
But of course others on here just despise him so much that they want someone else which is not that understandable as that 'anyone else' could prove to be worthless. Its happened before with the likes of Ramos.
I am one who thinks TS should stay, and made no qualms about it but thats more because im not 'anyone but TS' phalanx. Im being pragmatic and looking at the options and none are out there that appeals to be of a high standard. Id be very interested in FDB and think eh is a realistic choice for the season after. I totally agree with your post and the risk is that TS would keep the status quo and pick up points but not the best performances. Which is fine as at that time we can get rid and bring in someone like FDB.
But of course others on here just despise him so much that they want someone else which is not that understandable as that 'anyone else' could prove to be worthless. Its happened before with the likes of Ramos.
Kingdawson
Banned
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
I'd be rather gutted if he's our manager next season tbh. Then again, there isn't that many 'realistic' options out there that actually excite me. If Benitez is willing i would def have him here, hmmmmm other then that? i'm drawing blanks.
I'd be rather gutted if he's our manager next season tbh. Then again, there isn't that many 'realistic' options out there that actually excite me. If Benitez is willing i would def have him here, hmmmmm other then that? i'm drawing blanks.
Kingdawson
Banned
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
He's a very odd man that's for sure. Even his sudden dropping of Benteleb...after playing him every minute....i mean it's just very weird.
He's a very odd man that's for sure. Even his sudden dropping of Benteleb...after playing him every minute....i mean it's just very weird.
Nigeyman
Chris Armstrong
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
you dont know what his intentions are...none of us do.
the guy has never made a signing nor released anyone...other than Holtby and that was because he was crying about not playing so loaned him out...deciscion later...
you dont know what his intentions are...none of us do.
the guy has never made a signing nor released anyone...other than Holtby and that was because he was crying about not playing so loaned him out...deciscion later...