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The decision to fire AVB

Johnny Ray

Johnny Ray

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With hindsight being a remarkable thing, I thought I'd pose this simple question.

I don't want you opinion from the time, but how you feel now.

Was getting rid of AVB the right thing to do, or would you rather he still be at the helm?

Personally, thought getting rid was the worst decision we've made in ages, and now just feel robbed. Although I have to admit, some of the football under AVB was dull!
 
Johnny Ray said:
With hindsight being a remarkable thing, I thought I'd pose this simple question.

I don't want you opinion from the time, but how you feel now.

Was getting rid of AVB the right thing to do, or would you rather he still be at the helm?

Personally, thought getting rid was the worst decision we've made in ages, and now just feel robbed. Although I have to admit, some of the football under AVB was dull!
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With hindsight it began long before sacking AVB (which at the time was the right move) and started when we sold Modric (even possibly befiore that when we sold Carrick and Berbatov), from that point everyone knew everyone was available for the right price and we became a selling club.
 
No, it won't happen but I wish Levy would get down on his knees and beg him to come back, give him the cheque book and **** off for a couple of years.
 
In hindsight, it was a car crash of a decision. I can't remember who made the point on here this week, but they got it bang on in my eyes.

It went along the lines of AVB got shafted by big personalities at Chelsea, so he built a team at Tottenham all subservient to him and the greater good of the team collective without these strong personalities. Now he's no longer here and we have a clueless, tactically inept, but 'passionate' and 'emotional' man in charge (please, I'm 'passionate and emotional' about Spurs, but not sure that qualifies me for the Spurs job) that's unable to motivate the team, there are no personalities to drag performances out of the rest.

That's how I see it.

Levy has to take total responsibility for this sorry mess. Not sure there is a better solution out there than him, but I can't see us moving forward with him in charge. What's the definition of 'insanity' again? Doing the same thing over and over again (bring manager in, things initially go well, back him, sack him at the first sign of trouble. Rinse and repeat) and expecting a different outcome?
 
galeforce said:
No, it won't happen but I wish Levy would get down on his knees and beg him to come back, give him the cheque book and **** off for a couple of years.
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Levy made a mistake buy bringing AVB in at all. Shocking for me he was clearly out of his depth in the prem as proven at Chelski. We played crap football from the start and were carried buy bale last season so many 1-0 with so many wonder goals from Bale.
Proven when Bale was injured it was clueless.
Levy brought him in because he was cheap and only person willing to jump onto the merry go round that is our club and he was a failure no Bale last year would have been 10 th at best
 
Kingdawson said:
Is this really a new thread? The man is long gone and it was a great decision.
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I think it's a fair enough question to ask. When AVB was here, people think all the issues were down to him. Turgid football, no plan to avoid taking a hammering, players unhappy.

I think recent results have shown it wasn't all down to AVB, and that other issues are at play. I've defended Sherwood a lot too, but I don't think anyone realised how difficult it would be to craft an entire new team and still make a top 4 challenge in the first season.

It's been a shocking season really, down to Levy's mistakes and I think number one was setting expectations too high once Bale was gone. AVB knew it would be difficult, and that's why he probably wanted to get out.
 
people seem to have completely forgotten how effective we were last season

I've never seen a spurs side constrict the opposition like that, it was a joy to watch games knowing there was no way we would lose
 
AVB was crap, so is Sherwood but I truly believe he is here just to the end of the season.

Who ever comes in has to have complete control and final say on transfers and has to be given time, time, time. I do not care if they are English or not, black or white, male or female. They need time and levy to back off.
 
BrainOfLevy said:
I think it's a fair enough question to ask. When AVB was here, people think all the issues were down to him. Turgid football, no plan to avoid taking a hammering, players unhappy.

I think recent results have shown it wasn't all down to AVB, and that other issues are at play. I've defended Sherwood a lot too, but I don't think anyone realised how difficult it would be to craft an entire new team and still make a top 4 challenge in the first season.

It's been a shocking season really, down to Levy's mistakes and I think number one was setting expectations too high once Bale was gone. AVB knew it would be difficult, and that's why he probably wanted to get out.
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Of course you would think that. You bring up AVB at every opportunity.
 
galeforce said:
people seem to have completely forgotten how effective we were last season

I've never seen a spurs side constrict the opposition like that, it was a joy to watch games knowing there was no way we would lose
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Yes but it would have been bore draws all the way without the class of Bale he was only one looked like scoring. AVB set up not to lose and give the ball to Bale.
 
djp82 said:
Yes but it would have been bore draws all the way without the class of Bale he was only one looked like scoring. AVB set up not to lose and give the ball to Bale.
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Yep...AVB's 'tactics' work a treat when you've got a world class player to constantly BALE you out (pun intended). When you don't have that player you then rely on shocking referee decisions (Hull and Swansea) ...when that fails well then ...it's game over.
 
Kingdawson said:
Is this really a new thread? The man is long gone and it was a great decision.
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It wasn't a great decision. If Levy had had someone better lined up to take over, then it might've been a great decision, but he didn't.

AVB wasn't all that, the football was supremely dull, even when we had Bale although his magic made you forget it to an extent. But we're no better off now than if he'd seen out the season, other than having Ade back in the fold (which I will give TS credit for although it wasn't exactly difficult for him), we've had 6 months of Harry Redknapp Lite and pretty much more of the same footballing wise, it's still pretty awful.
 
Firing AVB was the right thing to do. We were on a downward spiral, the football was awful, we had no attacking game plan, we couldnt score

However, appointing YTS Tim was the mistake as the majority on here said at the time. A temp manager til the end of the season was the best bet; some might aruge that that is what TS is!
 
AVB stopped the opposition from scoring but then we sold the only person on our team who could regularly conjure something out of nothing to score - because even last year we had stopped creating much of any merit. Once bale had gone we then carried on stopping teams from scoring but no longer scored at all ourselves then the next thing we knew we were shipping goals in left right and centre. Not scoring or looking like it, no longer stopping the opposition from scoring (even an opposition who had somehow managed to have a worse record in front of goal than us at the time managed to put three past us in our own backyard!!) ... Gameplan exposed, no results other than emphatic losses, no performances other than drab capitulations. And our thinking man who was so much more intelligent than "just go out there and play" Harry was left with the same criticism being levelled at him - where was the plan b when plan a so clearly wasn't working and hadn't been working for a long time... Mistakes which had been his downfall at his previous club and we'd been led to believe he'd grown from were coming back to haunt him - falling out with senior players - adebayor not getting a sniff even though no player who was playing at the time remembered where the goal was, and then falling out with and demonstrating paranoia with the press. Sure the press had been waiting for their chance (some sections) but he was led to it like a blind pony to a glue factory...
 
Seedy Ron said:
It wasn't a great decision. If Levy had had someone better lined up to take over, then it might've been a great decision, but he didn't.

AVB wasn't all that, the football was supremely dull, even when we had Bale although his magic made you forget it to an extent. But we're no better off now than if he'd seen out the season, other than having Ade back in the fold (which I will give TS credit for although it wasn't exactly difficult for him), we've had 6 months of Harry Redknapp Lite and pretty much more of the same footballing wise, it's still pretty awful.
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Key point.

Our performances were dire, and we were clearly not clicking at all, but we were still in all competitions and in contention for top four. The worst thing that could have happened with AVB was us crashing out of the cups (which we've done) and finishing 7th (which we probably will at this rate). We were never in danger of surviving as a PL club, which IMO is the only reason desperate enough to sack a manager without having a proper replacement lined up.

Sacking AVB for Sherwood was a massive gamble, that so far hasn't paid off. We're still playing like a bunch of headless chickens and we still get thrashed by four or five goals. Statistically we scored more goals and conceeded less in AVB's games in charge this season than in Sherwood's games. Apart from Ade being reintroduced to the team (a big mistake from AVB that), I can see no improvement in any areas.

Had Levy had a proper manager lined up to take over permanently, he would at least showed he had a plan when he sacked AVB. This new manager might not have done any better than Sherwood or AVB, but at least it would have been an appointment that didn't smell of desperation and extremely bad planning from Levy's side.

I said it when he was sacked, and I will say it again with hindsight: AVB should have been given until the end of the season before his future at Spurs was decided.
 
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