Halal Meat

[Danishfurniturelover]

Was just watching countryfile on the BBC which seeing as we are so crap this season meaning I will not watch of the day is the only show I actually watch on the BBC.

Anyway it is probably on Iplayer so I recommend watching it, they did a bit on religious customs regarding meat. The Muslim guy came across quite well but the Jewish one wow bit extreme if you ask me.

So I have to say before hand I did not know enough about it, but most halal meat is actually stunned before being killed and the ones that are not stunned die within seconds. This is a lot different to what I thought where the animal had its throat slit and was left hung upside down to bleed out. Found it a little odd that they have to say a pray to it as if the sheep would be able to understand.

Did not realise that all Kosher meat had to be killed without being stunned, worth watching it was interesting and added information to a subject that needs light sharing on it.

Really enjoy the show the only thing worth watching on the BBC though that said I also enjoyed the show 37 days about world war 1.

 

[Superhudd]

I would find that interesting to know to what extent Halal meat is stunned... 1% 20%... 70%!?

Its why I do not go into Chick King.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

apparently 86% according to this show, was very interesting mate I would watch it rather then watching people watching other people watching t.v.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

Have to add I would now be prepared to eat halal meat after watching that, because the animal does not seem to suffer as much as I previously thought.

 

[Superhudd]

But you are watching other people watch dead animals... and you are wrong.. we are not watching people who watch other people watching tv, but watching people watch people who are on tv. :-"

 

[Craig_J]

I'm neither Jewish or Muslim but if I remember rightly certain sections of Islam do not use stunning and there is debate in Islam as to whether stunning an animal actually counts as being Halal.

Also, there's two main boards (if that's the right word) of approving of Halal and one of them leaves quite a lot of uncertainty as to whether it is even halal anyway.

 

[SteveAWOL]

Was just watching countryfile on the BBC which seeing as we are so crap this season meaning I will not watch of the day is the only show I actually watch on the BBC.

Anyway it is probably on Iplayer so I recommend watching it, they did a bit on religious customs regarding meat. The Muslim guy came across quite well but the Jewish one wow bit extreme if you ask me.

So I have to say before hand I did not know enough about it, but most halal meat is actually stunned before being killed and the ones that are not stunned die within seconds. This is a lot different to what I thought where the animal had its throat slit and was left hung upside down to bleed out. Found it a little odd that they have to say a pray to it as if the sheep would be able to understand.

Did not realise that all Kosher meat had to be killed without being stunned, worth watching it was interesting and added information to a subject that needs light sharing on it.

Really enjoy the show the only thing worth watching on the BBC though that said I also enjoyed the show 37 days about world war 1.

I was also surprised at how strident the Jewish spokesman came across, maybe his back was up as Denmark recently joined Norway, Iceland, Switzerland, Sweden and Poland in banning the practice of slaughtering animals which hadn't been stunned first.

Will check out that 37 Days as have read several good things about it, Clarkson' documentary about The Arctic Convoy was the last really fascinating show about the world wars that I recall watching on the BBC.

I would find that interesting to know to what extent Halal meat is stunned... 1% 20%... 70%!?

Its why I do not go into Chick King.

Around 88% for Halal chicken, under 1% for Kosher.

...The basic act of cutting the throat and letting the animal bleed to death isn’t much different to non-religious slaughter.

The main difference is that the kosher and halal traditions dislike the practice of stunning animals before they are cut, believing that the animal should be free from any injury at the moment of death.

Some Muslim scholars have said that stunning can be compliant with Islamic law, and it would appear that Muslims are in practice less strict on the point than Jews, as evidenced by this survey of slaughterhouses by the Food Standards Authority.

The 2011 research found that more than 80 per cent of cattle, poultry, sheep and goats are in fact stunned before they are slaughtered in halal abbatoirs.

By contrast, Jewish law absolutely forbids stunning animals before their throats are cut, and the practice appears to be unknown, according to the same survey...

http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-qa-ban-kosher-halal-slaughter/17877

 

[Hootnow]

I would find that interesting to know to what extent Halal meat is stunned... 1% 20%... 70%!?

Its why I do not go into Chick King.

And yet interestingly, despite being such an animal rights advocate, you still eat meat at all!

Even if an animal were not stunned before death, I would consider the suffering it has suffered over a prolonged period of time (ie over its whole life as we rear it specifically for human consumption) to be much much greater than the short period of suffering it endures during its death.

This is the reason I always find this topic hilarious. People who happily tuck into their danish bacon and caged hen eggs don't give a **** about animal rights, otherwise they wouldn't be eating animals in the first place. Their aversion to it is usually due to rather more sinister reasons.

Oh well.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

And yet interestingly, despite being such an animal rights advocate, you still eat meat at all!

Even if an animal were not stunned before death, I would consider the suffering it has suffered over a prolonged period of time (ie over its whole life as we rear it specifically for human consumption) to be much much greater than the short period of suffering it endures during its death.

This is the reason I always find this topic hilarious. People who happily tuck into their danish bacon and caged hen eggs don't give a **** about animal rights, otherwise they wouldn't be eating animals in the first place. Their aversion to it is usually due to rather more sinister reasons.

Oh well.

Did you watch the show? it was very interesting to get a proper understanding of the subject. I was anti halal meat before but would eat it now. We always buy free range meat as I do not like the idea of animals suffering, something about it really upsets me.

 

[Superhudd]

And yet interestingly, despite being such an animal rights advocate, you still eat meat at all!

Even if an animal were not stunned before death, I would consider the suffering it has suffered over a prolonged period of time (ie over its whole life as we rear it specifically for human consumption) to be much much greater than the short period of suffering it endures during its death.

This is the reason I always find this topic hilarious. People who happily tuck into their danish bacon and caged hen eggs don't give a **** about animal rights, otherwise they wouldn't be eating animals in the first place. Their aversion to it is usually due to rather more sinister reasons.

Oh well.

Nice one fella.. so you know I find it hilarious when people oh so often jump in with two feet not knowing the full facts, I source the meat I and my family eats from places I know the field it has lived. So next time check yeah. With regards takeaway food, its basically impossible, the same way a vegetarian, buys a veggie pizza and doesn't know the chemical $hite on it. One of the things you can find out is what type of meat it is.. kosher, halal etc... a vegetarian has fcuk all idea.

So.. I buy from reputable farms, and as you might have seen by my allotment I have started on the relevant thread here, I care about what I put on my plate including organic vegetables, or you may have seen my christmas food thread telling people to forget supermarkets and going straight to a farm/smallholding.

But nah, you thought you would dive right in there.. belittle me.. embarrass maybe. Guess what finger I am holding up. :lol:

 

[LutonSpurs]

Craig you are right. A small portion follow the opinion that the animal shouldn't be stunned. I eat stunned halal meat mainly but mainly make sure the abattoir the meat is slaughtered at is up to humane standard. Kosher meat and halal meat are both ritually slaughtered as a requirement of the religion

 

[Hootnow]

Nice one fella.. so you know I find it hilarious when people oh so often jump in with two feet not knowing the full facts, I source the meat I and my family eats from places I know the field it has lived. So next time check yeah. With regards takeaway food, its basically impossible, the same way a vegetarian, buys a veggie pizza and doesn't know the chemical $hite on it. One of the things you can find out is what type of meat it is.. kosher, halal etc... a vegetarian has fcuk all idea.

So.. I buy from reputable farms, and as you might have seen by my allotment I have started on the relevant thread here, I care about what I put on my plate including organic vegetables, or you may have seen my christmas food thread telling people to forget supermarkets and going straight to a farm/smallholding.

But nah, you thought you would dive right in there.. belittle me.. embarrass maybe. Guess what finger I am holding up. :lol:

What? The last part of my post was a general point, in fact the whole post was basically a general point.

The bit that applies to you (and everyone else who has this similar way of thinking) is that if you were that bothered by animal rights, you wouldn't be bothered by what happens in the final few seconds of its life but what happens throughout its whole life.

I haven't eaten meat in a while because I consider our conduct towards animals while rearing them for slaughter to be despicable, whether I'm buying a caged hen or an organic, free range one. I've been to some of these 'reputable' farms and the conditions of the animals are still not what I consider acceptable. That was finally pushed me over the edge.

Yes I have seen those threads (and we have actually talked about this topic before) so no, I'm not jumping in without knowing the full facts at all. Only a fool would deny that you spend more effort than most in trying to source your food. It still doesn't make it incredibly hypocritical that you're this bothered by halal/ kosher meat (and the final few seconds of the animal's life) and still willing to eat meat, even if it is the upscale, 'reputable' farms.

 

[Hootnow]

Did you watch the show? it was very interesting to get a proper understanding of the subject. I was anti halal meat before but would eat it now. We always buy free range meat as I do not like the idea of animals suffering, something about it really upsets me.

Nah mate but thanks for the heads up, will have a watch over the next few days.

 

[Superhudd]

What? The last part of my post was a general point, in fact the whole post was basically a general point.

The bit that applies to you (and everyone else who has this similar way of thinking) is that if you were that bothered by animal rights, you wouldn't be bothered by what happens in the final few seconds of its life but what happens throughout its whole life.

I haven't eaten meat in a while because I consider our conduct towards animals while rearing them for slaughter to be despicable, whether I'm buying a caged hen or an organic, free range one. I've been to some of these 'reputable' farms and the conditions of the animals are still not what I consider acceptable. That was finally pushed me over the edge.

Yes I have seen those threads (and we have actually talked about this topic before) so no, I'm not jumping in without knowing the full facts at all. Only a fool would deny that you spend more effort than most in trying to source your food. It still doesn't make it incredibly hypocritical that you're this bothered by halal/ kosher meat (and the final few seconds of the animal's life) and still willing to eat meat, even if it is the upscale, 'reputable' farms.

the first point is clearly aimed at me. Whilst the rest was aimed at everyone, it was still a continuous from the first line.

You bought any nice trainers lately. Genuine question.

Plants are living too you know. Raised to be slaughtered.

 

[scaramanga]

And yet interestingly, despite being such an animal rights advocate, you still eat meat at all!

Even if an animal were not stunned before death, I would consider the suffering it has suffered over a prolonged period of time (ie over its whole life as we rear it specifically for human consumption) to be much much greater than the short period of suffering it endures during its death.

This is the reason I always find this topic hilarious. People who happily tuck into their danish bacon and caged hen eggs don't give a **** about animal rights, otherwise they wouldn't be eating animals in the first place. Their aversion to it is usually due to rather more sinister reasons.

Oh well.

Mistreating an animal because it gets said animal to my table cheaper is a decent enough reason - it's only food anyway.

Mistreating an animal because some paedophile told someone that the flying spaghetti monster told him to is not good reason.

 

[AuroRaman]

Scara, just to confirm, is that first paragraph for real? Or have I missed something?

 

[Superted]

I'm assuming Scara's use of the term "mistreating" is a bit loose and merely only includes those necessary things to ensure an efficient breeding, raising and slaughter process. Not poking cows up the date with a burning rod for ****s and giggles during the rearing process.

 

[scaramanga]

I'm assuming Scara's use of the term "mistreating" is a bit loose and merely only includes those necessary things to ensure an efficient breeding, raising and slaughter process. Not poking cows up the date with a burning rod for ****s and giggles during the rearing process.

Yep. Pure laziness in my description, sorry.

 

[AuroRaman]

Haha, fair play thanks for enlightening me!

 

[scaramanga]

Actually, I do need to put a caveat in there - foie gras. ****ing love the stuff.