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Tottenham Hotspur Stadium - Licence To Stand

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Gutter Boy said:
We'll see. Both Rome clubs have been trying to build grounds for decades, but everytime they identify a site, the archeologists find important staff and the plans get scuppered. A problem of being in the eternal city I guess.
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That made me chuckle. Modern life, eh? I bet the Romans didn't bother with identifying and properly tagging Neolithic burial sites before leveling the site of the Colosseum or the Circus Maximus: why do modern Italians have to bother?

spurs' magna carter said:
*coughs*

From Skys****ercity.com

THST Official ‏@THSTOfficial

THST has met with THFC Executives this evening. Stadium Update: The single tier 'kop' end stays in the new plans. There is a commitment to fan consultation moving forward from the Club.

https://twitter.com/THSTOfficial



and in answer to a question....

They [the KSS plans] are now 5 years old. Consultation [with fans] will cover far more areas than the interior design alone.

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THST Official ‏@THSTOfficial 3h

@messerp1 @Simongates251 There's no need for further planning permission.
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Finally, some solid f**king news. That single tier end was the best part of our stadium, and is one of the two things I would insist be included in the new stadium plans, the other being the stands sitting as close to the pitch as possible. Other than that, even though it will mean yet more delays (which I've previously gotten quite upset about, meaning as it does that we'll have a routinely recurring Gareth Bale saga in even more transfer windows), if it helps increase our capacity to as close to the 65,000 mark as possible, is architecturally distinctive (a la the Stade des Lumieres, for example) and incorporates the possibility of converting to all or partial standing areas in the future, then the delays will be worth enduring.
 
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DubaiSpur said:
That made me chuckle. Modern life, eh? I bet the Romans didn't bother with identifying and properly tagging Neolithic burial sites before leveling the site of the Colosseum or the Circus Maximus: why do modern Italians have to bother?



Finally, some solid f**king news. That single tier end was the best part of our stadium, and is one of the two things I would insist be included in the new stadium plans, the other being the stands sitting as close to the pitch as possible. Other than that, even though it will mean yet more delays (which I've previously gotten quite upset about, meaning as it does that we'll have a routinely recurring Gareth Bale saga in even more transfer windows), if it helps increase our capacity to as close to the 65,000 mark as possible, is architecturally distinctive (a la the Stade des Lumieres, for example) and incorporates the possibility of converting to all or partial standing areas in the future, then the delays will be worth enduring.
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Surely an increase of that magnitude would entail further planning permission?

Come to think of it, do we have any concrete evidence that they plan to increase the capacity at all? You might ask why else would they want to revisit the plans but there could be all sorts of reasons, eg, to squeeze in more executive boxes, improve things like access, facilities, safety, etc.

Could it even be that the planned internal redesign will actually result in a lower capacity?
 
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I think they should double the boxes on the sides and have two walls either end.
 
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DubaiSpur said:
Finally, some solid f**king news. That single tier end was the best part of our stadium, and is one of the two things I would insist be included in the new stadium plans, the other being the stands sitting as close to the pitch as possible. Other than that, even though it will mean yet more delays (which I've previously gotten quite upset about, meaning as it does that we'll have a routinely recurring Gareth Bale saga in even more transfer windows), if it helps increase our capacity to as close to the 65,000 mark as possible, is architecturally distinctive (a la the Stade des Lumieres, for example) and incorporates the possibility of converting to all or partial standing areas in the future, then the delays will be worth enduring.
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I have to be honest, I don't like stadia that are too architecturally showy. For me, the State de Lumieres just crosses that line.

I want our stadium still to look like a football stadium - not a work of art, not a knock-off the Bilbao Guggenheim, not something that's just an architect experimenting, and not something that's tricksy or smart-arsy.

So, the exterior of the Alliance I don't like for example. Its just silly and tricksy. Could be an art gallery or a train station. I hate many (not all, but most) of the stadia planned for Qatar '22:

http://www.theguardian.com/football...stadiums-pictures#/?picture=369339606&index=3

Stadia in the shape of flower petals, or with funny colours as the facade, weird bird's nest cladding etc. No thanks.

What I want is something that stays within the limits of conventional stadium design, but within those parameters pushes it as far as it will go. This is why I like the KSS plans for WHL. It still looks like a football stadium, but within that constraint they try to make it interesting: the white/silver exterior, the lovely flow of the external cladding, the "boxy" look of it that is reminiscent of all iterations of WHL going back decades (this is the best thing about the design for me). I would hate it if we went with something outside of these conventions.
 
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Building a stadium that meets everyones expectations is virtually impossible. Most of the large stadia I have visited provide poor views in many areas and with modern building controls and health and safety issues more space has to be used for safe entry and exit points. I do not expect much from this project for the fans in the cheaper seats.
 
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We could increase the capacity to 65k by banning all fat b@stards and making all the lankies stand at the back. So easy this stadium design lark.

Maybe the stadium designers should go for a steampunk rusty black cauldron look; covered in rivets with steam boiling over the top tier, Welcome to Hell
 
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chancer said:
I have to be honest, I don't like stadia that are too architecturally showy. For me, the State de Lumieres just crosses that line.

I want our stadium still to look like a football stadium - not a work of art, not a knock-off the Bilbao Guggenheim, not something that's just an architect experimenting, and not something that's tricksy or smart-arsy.

So, the exterior of the Alliance I don't like for example. Its just silly and tricksy. Could be an art gallery or a train station. I hate many (not all, but most) of the stadia planned for Qatar '22:

http://www.theguardian.com/football...stadiums-pictures#/?picture=369339606&index=3

Stadia in the shape of flower petals, or with funny colours as the facade, weird bird's nest cladding etc. No thanks.

What I want is something that stays within the limits of conventional stadium design, but within those parameters pushes it as far as it will go. This is why I like the KSS plans for WHL. It still looks like a football stadium, but within that constraint they try to make it interesting: the white/silver exterior, the lovely flow of the external cladding, the "boxy" look of it that is reminiscent of all iterations of WHL going back decades (this is the best thing about the design for me). I would hate it if we went with something outside of these conventions.
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Good post. Still, I don't think the Stade Des Lumieres is that outre: its exterior corresponds with the angular designs favoured by most modern architectural planners, but its interior looks very 'normal: basically an elongated bowl. The only unusual things about it, in my opinion, are the large number of roof supports around the superstructure, the reflective design which basically lights it up when sunlight hits it, and the angular roof. So with a conventional interior and a moderately unconventional exterior, I'd say that the Stade Des Lumieres is an ideal compromise between tradition and modernity.

It's not a big difference of opinion, but it is a difference. I prefer an architecturally unique stadium that is instantly recognizable and will be iconic in ten, twenty, thirty years' time. I loved the KSS design, but it was too similar to Arsenal's bowl and Chelsea' s proposed new stadium to be unique even in London, let alone in the entire UK. Chelsea took that into consideration with their previous Battersea Power Station design, where they would keep the iconic smoke-stacks in their finished stadium as a tribute to the original station. That would have instantly granted that proposed stadium design uniqueness that would have made it easy to remember. In my view, that is something we should be aiming at.

One thing's for sure, any new stadium looking exactly like another Archibald Leitch design is something I suspect neither you nor I will be too happy about.
 
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indianspur said:
Report: Levy begins construction of new stadium in Tottenham


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That's the funniest thing I've seen in a long time :lol:
 
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DubaiSpur said:
Good post. Still, I don't think the Stade Des Lumieres is that outre: its exterior corresponds with the angular designs favoured by most modern architectural planners, but its interior looks very 'normal: basically an elongated bowl. The only unusual things about it, in my opinion, are the large number of roof supports around the superstructure, the reflective design which basically lights it up when sunlight hits it, and the angular roof. So with a conventional interior and a moderately unconventional exterior, I'd say that the Stade Des Lumieres is an ideal compromise between tradition and modernity.

It's not a big difference of opinion, but it is a difference. I prefer an architecturally unique stadium that is instantly recognizable and will be iconic in ten, twenty, thirty years' time. I loved the KSS design, but it was too similar to Arsenal's bowl and Chelsea' s proposed new stadium to be unique even in London, let alone in the entire UK. Chelsea took that into consideration with their previous Battersea Power Station design, where they would keep the iconic smoke-stacks in their finished stadium as a tribute to the original station. That would have instantly granted that proposed stadium design uniqueness that would have made it easy to remember. In my view, that is something we should be aiming at.

One thing's for sure, any new stadium looking exactly like another Archibald Leitch design is something I suspect neither you nor I will be too happy about.
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Speaking for myself and only myself i would be happy with a stadium that generated us money on a par with every other top team(match day we can do nothing about the sugar daddies) one that had a good match experince meaning we were close to the pitch.

I do not care if it wins design awards or if it looks dated in 10 years time. I think the constant delays harm the club. Though i expect the delays are more to do with financing then with design flaws, and they are just taking the chance for a possible redesign while they try to attract the money.
 
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I think that design looks a bit dated now. Its 7 years old. I think they should do a different skin. Just to excite.

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japenesegardenlover said:
Speaking for myself and only myself i would be happy with a stadium that generated us money on a par with every other top team(match day we can do nothing about the sugar daddies) one that had a good match experince meaning we were close to the pitch.

I do not care if it wins design awards or if it looks dated in 10 years time. I think the constant delays harm the club. Though i expect the delays are more to do with financing then with design flaws, and they are just taking the chance for a possible redesign while they try to attract the money.
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its possible to house the stadium, school and supermarket all in the same building - though it would be a monstrouserty.

this one has its own sun!

The New Century Global Center building opened recently in Chengu, a city of more than 14 million people in southwest China's Sichuan province. It's described as "the world's largest standalone structure" by Chinese officials and is 328 feet high, 1,640 feet long, and 1,312 feet wide.

While Boeing's plant in Everett, Wash., is the world's biggest building by volume, the Chinese mall seems to be tops in floor space. Almost the area of Monaco, its 420 acres of floor space could fit nearly three Pentagons, four Vatican Cities, or 20 Sydney Opera Houses.

The cavernous structure will feature a mix of retail outlets, a 14-screen movie theater, a university complex, offices, hotels, a water park called Paradise Island, a skating rink that's big enough to host international competitions, a pirate ship, 15,000 parking spots, and even a fake Mediterranean village.


http://news.cnet.com/2300-11386_3-10017404.html
 
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The cavernous structure will feature a mix of retail outlets, a 14-screen movie theater, a university complex, offices, hotels, a water park called Paradise Island, a skating rink that's big enough to host international competitions, a pirate ship, 15,000 parking spots, and even a fake Mediterranean village.

But no grand prix race track and we are supposed to be impressed by that?

Actually, I thought the structure holding up the roof mugs the place off.
 
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If there's one stadium project elsewhere that Spurs are echoing with this project, it's Athletic Bilbao's new San Mames stadium. Built on the same idea we've seen Spurs propose to do - start construction of the new ground immediately adjacent and move in when it's two-thirds complete.

Well, Athletic have moved in and successfully inaugurated their ground. Evocative report here from Sid Lowe of the Guardian.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2013/sep/17/athletic-bilbao-sid-lowe
 
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chancer said:
I have to be honest, I don't like stadia that are too architecturally showy. For me, the State de Lumieres just crosses that line.

I want our stadium still to look like a football stadium - not a work of art, not a knock-off the Bilbao Guggenheim, not something that's just an architect experimenting, and not something that's tricksy or smart-arsy.

So, the exterior of the Alliance I don't like for example. Its just silly and tricksy. Could be an art gallery or a train station. I hate many (not all, but most) of the stadia planned for Qatar '22:

http://www.theguardian.com/football...stadiums-pictures#/?picture=369339606&index=3

Stadia in the shape of flower petals, or with funny colours as the facade, weird bird's nest cladding etc. No thanks.

What I want is something that stays within the limits of conventional stadium design, but within those parameters pushes it as far as it will go. This is why I like the KSS plans for WHL. It still looks like a football stadium, but within that constraint they try to make it interesting: the white/silver exterior, the lovely flow of the external cladding, the "boxy" look of it that is reminiscent of all iterations of WHL going back decades (this is the best thing about the design for me). I would hate it if we went with something outside of these conventions.
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I personally think that great Architecture ensures that at the very heart of the design lies the basic fundamentals of what is being designed. So in this case we all largely want a great football experience, wonderful visibility, proximity to the action, great facilities, excellent safety, comfort and efficient F&B outlets. For me it is about supplying that and doing so efficiently but making a great design statement in the process. I've no issues with pushing out the design boat as long as it says something about us, our club and isn't some different coloured identikit. WHL inspired me when young, I always warm when I see it but I'd love to stop and go Wow every time without compromising on the reason I go there in the first place. Football.
 
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greatwhitenorf said:
If there's one stadium project elsewhere that Spurs are echoing with this project, it's Athletic Bilbao's new San Mames stadium. Built on the same idea we've seen Spurs propose to do - start construction of the new ground immediately adjacent and move in when it's two-thirds complete.

Well, Athletic have moved in and successfully inaugurated their ground. Evocative report here from Sid Lowe of the Guardian.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2013/sep/17/athletic-bilbao-sid-lowe
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Good piece, thanks for posting.

I actually love the look of their old stadium! Has something kinda South American about it. New one should be nice too though.

One line from the article:

There is something of the Emirates about it: steep stands and red seats, as steep and as close to the pitch as Uefa rules allow.
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chancer said:
One line from the article:

There is something of the Emirates about it: steep stands and red seats, as steep and as close to the pitch as Uefa rules allow.
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I didn't get that bit?.... It's actually the complete opposite of The Emirates (assuming he means the South London Nomad's stadium?)

The line that struck me from the article was:

It has cost €173m and has been built in only two years.
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That is heartening to know as this stadium is of a similar size to our proposed stadium. So estimated 2 year timescale and £250 million cost both seem very feasible!
 
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