FAO of crawley and all decent human beings

[africanspurs]

Who the fudge has mentioned black or white except you???? Same people ruining threads time after fudging time. AS is a proven macaron who probably hasn't even read up on ukip and KD bringing race into the equation. fudge off seriously.

I'd rather be that than what i think you are to be honest.

I have money down that you have no real clue as to what UKIP are all about. Mr "EDL is the honest way forward they just want whats best for England like me" Roy

been paying close attention to you and what you say on things racial and political....and quite frankly i have met people like you before and it isnt even that you yourself are a proven macaron , i think you are quite worse than that...proven macarons puts you in a higher level quite frankly

where is that Big issue thread? and the riots one too? are they in classics

LOL i have no qualms with people like you Roy...and your boys like Camden spur calling me a proven macaron. I have been called INFINITELY much worse by your very niche group.

i should actually say thank you for keeping the insult soft and civil, i guess if you REALLY said what i bet you say about ethnic monitories behind closed doors...who knows...it might just be hurtful:lol:

 

[africanspurs]

Think he's still tinkled off you continuously ignored his posts on the other thread and ignore him in general, bless him. You're a "proven macaron" btw :lol:

Forget about my Education, my charity work, my own background, my friends and relative.....no forget all that...i am defined by my attitude towards Roys1983 politics....thats all i am really....Yes us EDL haters, no sorry i mean non UKIP supporters, actually no...ethnic minorities? ...aka "proven macarons" really need a good lesson in manners and the way of Roy Mr "fudging immigrant big issue sellers in my way, asshole get a job. Meh let me do this guy a favour and give him the time of day and actually talk to him like a human being before i judge him , Yay i am a REAL English man looking out for the little people. I look good now" Roy 1983.

Ah well, i'm over it already.

 

[africanspurs]

But the whole point is that the majority in this country are decent. This under UKIP includes all the religions and also immigrants, the is just the belief that immgration is now at the maximum level and we should sort out the unemployment in our own country first before letting anymore in. The is a schools places crisis in London, the country can not really handle anymore immigrants.

On the EU the idea is that we continue to trade with the EU countries which as members of the WTO is our right, but perhaps it is better for us to make decesions on how this country is run ourselves rather then letting people in Brussels who haave no interest in the country and are not aware of our customs and feelings make decesions for us.

It is part of the British mentality that people should have to work for their rewards, which is why policies like limiting the tax credits people who have just arrived to the country are popular. The EU does not understand this, so perhaps it is better we go back to governing ourselves and just trade with the EU.

I for example know that a lot of polish immigrants who when they arrived in shoreham by sea and went to work for a company called higgidy pies in shoreham where straight away put on working tax credits and also given council tax reductions for the ones living on their own. I think what would have been a better idea was to force the unemployed we had in this country to take this positions through stopping their benefits and also that people who have just arrived in this country are not allowed to claim benefits that should be for people who have worked and paid into the sytem for years as a safety net.

The reason for the rise in UKIP is because they have come up with policies that appeal to lots in this country so much so that even labour as recent announcements by Millband can testify to have changed tact and they are now saying that benefits should be for people who have paid into the system. That is what the rise of UKIP has done it has helped to change the policies of the main national parties.

It is important africa to not your own prejudices get in the way of what is really happening. I can see that this country needs immigration but it needs to be controlled. I see very little benefit to membership of the EU.

You should not let as an immigrant yourself your natural intuition to defend all matters immgration because it develus your position. UKIP are far from a nazi party they are a party that stands up for all of the people in this country so we can try to keep the same standard of living.

first of all...why am i an immigrant? why are you calling me just an immigrant?

further more....how do you know what my stance on immigration is? how do you know i defend all things immigration? why do you even think or assume this?

no i have a problem with ONLY decent people being the ones that support or agree with your party and its policies (which marky was kind enough to put a bullet point summary of btw, so i know what they are. they seem genuine and good willed but the wording very cleverly shrowds reality as i read it). Thats what gets on my nerves....put in with the way you deliver you politics on here, i dont think i need you to class me as decent thanks. Its alright if i am not in your eyes.

if you respond...please address the first two questions btw...not just the ending paragraph

 

[raboner]

this forum feels like an insane asylum sometimes... can't we all just get along? life's too short for pointless bickering.

 

[clownfoot]

http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/1045...ader_Nigel_Farage_s_speech_at_Hove_Town_Hall/

I invite you to come down and the sthe future leader of our country speak tomorrow night, i shall be there. My father is in a home for people with demetia just along the road so i can kill two birds with one stone. Shall be popping down to the Sussex pub on the seafront afterwards where a few other UKIP members are going and have been told nigel himself will be coming in as he is staying down in Hove for the night.

Should be good to see the only politican in this country prepared to speak the truth. I do miss maggie though may GHod rest her soul( i dont even believe in GHod)

:ross: :ross: :ross:

More chance of bricking in the Queen's handbag

 

[Hootnow]

 

[africanspurs]

it has hasnt it? i can only say that was my fault if i am perfectly honest i apologise for derailing it on the first post.

i'll be leaving this thread now.

fill your boots you fine decent people

 

[scaramanga]

where is that Big issue thread? and the riots one too? are they in classics

I hope so. The Big Issue thread ended with a rather sizeable donation to the cause I believe.

 

[thfcsteff]

Are we allowed to wear tights ??

:ross:

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

first of all...why am i an immigrant? why are you calling me just an immigrant?

further more....how do you know what my stance on immigration is? how do you know i defend all things immigration? why do you even think or assume this?

no i have a problem with ONLY decent people being the ones that support or agree with your party and its policies (which marky was kind enough to put a bullet point summary of btw, so i know what they are. they seem genuine and good willed but the wording very cleverly shrowds reality as i read it). Thats what gets on my nerves....put in with the way you deliver you politics on here, i dont think i need you to class me as decent thanks. Its alright if i am not in your eyes.

if you respond...please address the first two questions btw...not just the ending paragraph

I was pretty sure i had read in previous threads that you said you were an immigrant. The is no problem with that, my mother was italian and i myself married an immigrant. Ooohh how liberal of me. I am sure i have read your views on immgration and narrow minded biggoted view of UKIP which comes from a stance that anyone who even questions it is automatically racist. If im wrong and these are not your views then i apolgoise and i must have you mistaken with someone else.

So if i have mixed you up with another poster i say sorry, because i know the was a guy on here a couple of years ago who asked me about UKIP and said along the lines of "I dont know anything about them but i always assumed they were just the BNP in suits" so african i maybe wrong that might not have been you. It is just at the time as the son of an immigrant and someone married to one i took offence by it.

Of course when people like me take offence we do not do the liberal party thing of crying in the corner but getting on with our lives, it is just we don't often forget. Maybe in this instance i have got things wrong and you did not say this, so in that case im very sorry and as everyone on the left knows. If you say sorry everything is ok.

 

[thfcsteff]

But the whole point is that the majority in this country are decent. This under UKIP includes all the religions and also immigrants, the is just the belief that immgration is now at the maximum level and we should sort out the unemployment in our own country first before letting anymore in. The is a schools places crisis in London, the country can not really handle anymore immigrants.

On the EU the idea is that we continue to trade with the EU countries which as members of the WTO is our right, but perhaps it is better for us to make decesions on how this country is run ourselves rather then letting people in Brussels who haave no interest in the country and are not aware of our customs and feelings make decesions for us.

It is part of the British mentality that people should have to work for their rewards, which is why policies like limiting the tax credits people who have just arrived to the country are popular. The EU does not understand this, so perhaps it is better we go back to governing ourselves and just trade with the EU.

I for example know that a lot of polish immigrants who when they arrived in shoreham by sea and went to work for a company called higgidy pies in shoreham where straight away put on working tax credits and also given council tax reductions for the ones living on their own. I think what would have been a better idea was to force the unemployed we had in this country to take this positions through stopping their benefits and also that people who have just arrived in this country are not allowed to claim benefits that should be for people who have worked and paid into the sytem for years as a safety net.

The reason for the rise in UKIP is because they have come up with policies that appeal to lots in this country so much so that even labour as recent announcements by Millband can testify to have changed tact and they are now saying that benefits should be for people who have paid into the system. That is what the rise of UKIP has done it has helped to change the policies of the main national parties.

It is important africa to not your own prejudices get in the way of what is really happening. I can see that this country needs immigration but it needs to be controlled. I see very little benefit to membership of the EU.

You should not let as an immigrant yourself your natural intuition to defend all matters immgration because it develus your position. UKIP are far from a nazi party they are a party that stands up for all of the people in this country so we can try to keep the same standard of living.

This single sentence should get your wheels spinning Chich...yes. The ethics, morals and fortitude of the English people are all massive corner stones in who we are/were. And that certainly includes the work ethic.

So answer me this...when our economy got switched from manufacturing and production to financial, did you not also notice a shift in society's 'work ethic'? I think it's fair to say that the devastating combination of

declining education
greed
a growing culture of entitlement based on the disproportionate wealth of a few
people wanting more 'things' cheaper has led to where we are.

We are delighted to keep prices cheap, and much of the reason they remain that way is because of cheap foreign labour. And wheras we once had a willing and able (homegrown) workforce, one which happily accepted itself, we now have a generation or two who all believe they 'deserve' big paychecks and loadsamoney, a generation who are not prepared to out in a shift and work hard as youths to build the platform for a productive, earnest future. Immigrants who come to the UK and work tend to work bloody hard for long hours at the sort of jobs some young British folk think is 'above' them.

There are certainly problems all round, but I believe the idea that immigration is solely to blame is false. It might well be 'a' factor, but there are far, far greater factors at work right now than just that.

This is a fight for decency over vulgarity IMO.

I believe that we all agree on the sanctity of what we believe are British values. Sadly, I think too many people lack a deep understanding of what those are.

...in the spirit of discussion and debate mate.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

it has hasnt it? i can only say that was my fault if i am perfectly honest i apologise for derailing it on the first post.

i'll be leaving this thread now.

fill your boots you fine decent people

I do not think it has derailled we are talking and engaging nothing wrong in that. I ws saying how i think UKIP is full of decent people, im sure like most parties there are a few who you would not want there. I wonder what policies of UKIP's you find undecent, or is it just me as a poster that has put you off them?

For instance there are a number of left wing liberal and frankly in my view communists on this site. That said i can listen to there point of view. Hootnow makes some very good points especailly on crime. I remember reading some of his posts and his argumment that prison should educate people so they have skills to get jobs when they come out is a point i agree with.

You see despite the fact i do not agree with his politics i can read his posts and intelligently listen to his point of views on things and sometimes, like prison and reform agree with them. That is the good point of this site, it helps to change and broaden your views. Milo also in the past made good points about how the elite in Dubai treat the indian workforce, it has made me swear to never visit the country.

I only hope that one day African despite your views of people you can grow enough to actually listen to their points of views, but that you can not at the moment is not your fault. In time maybe you will become a better and more tolerant man, with gods love let it be true.

 

[thfcsteff]

Two points you mentioned crawley that I disagree with.
I. The English mentality to work hard to gain rewards. I don't think that's true. I think we have a mass culture of free riding and entitlement amongst brits in the UK. And oddly enough, it is usually ukip supporters I find that have this mentality. Its always someone elses fault and why arnt the govt helping 'me'

II. I'm also not sure I trust UK govts to manage our country exclusively. Look at the state of the UK before we joined Europe, quite a grim place. Things privacy laws and working time directives are what create a good balance between work and enjoying life.
I believe the UK outside of the eu will become like the bad aspects of US life.

I alsonk we greatly underestimate the effect foreign nationals have had on skills, cultural development and working. methods in the UK.

Only just saw this post mate, and you will laugh when you see i have basically said exactly the same as you! So needless to say, I agree with everything you say mate.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

This single sentence should get your wheels spinning Chich...yes. The ethics, morals and fortitude of the English people are all massive corner stones in who we are/were. And that certainly includes the work ethic.

So answer me this...when our economy got switched from manufacturing and production to financial, did you not also notice a shift in society's 'work ethic'? I think it's fair to say that the devastating combination of

declining education
greed
a growing culture of entitlement based on the disproportionate wealth of a few
people wanting more 'things' cheaper has led to where we are.

We are delighted to keep prices cheap, and much of the reason they remain that way is because of cheap foreign labour. And wheras we once had a willing and able workforce, one which happily accepted itself, we now have a generation or two who all believe they 'deserve' big paychecks and loadsamoney, a generation who are not prepared to out in a shift and work hard as youths to build the platform for a productive, earnest future.

There are certainly problems all round, but I believe the idea that immigration is solely to blame is false. It might well be 'a' factor, but there are far, far greater factors at work right now than just that.

This is a fight for decency over vulgarity IMO.

I believe that we all agree on the sanctity of what we believe are British values. Sadly, I think too many people lack a deep understanding of what those are.

...in the spirit of discussion and debate mate.

Well there is a lot to go on there steff, i am going out in a minute but shall be back again tomorrow. I will try to answer briefly now and more later.

If your talking about the 80's yes i noticed that with the city getting more power a lot in this country seemed to become obessed with the loads of money culture. Though it was also a time when people could work themselves out of a lower class.

Manufacturing was hurt massively by my idol maggie but manufacturing actually decreased by a larger amount under labour 97-08. It is something we need to reverse.

Hi-tech manufacturing is actually on the increase in places like Cambridge and we really need to link up our universities to employment more. But both recent governements could have done more in attracting manufacturing jobs. Including allowing companies to go into schools not just colleges and help design subjects with a career in manufacturing in mind.

On immigration, i do nto blame immigration on all of this countries problems, why do the left always say this i would love to know?????
Immigration is not to blame for all of this countries problems and i have never said it has. It has now gotten far to much and needs to be controlled but we still need highly skilled immigrants. My shares in Riccardo would be wirth brick without the talented staff it recruits from all over the world.

But we do not need low skilled immigrants when we have so many unemployed here, British workers who are lazy and do not believe they should have to work. I believe most are good and want to work but we have rewarded some for not working and under labour it was easier for them to go and get foreign workers rather then make their core vote go out and work. It is a problem that started under labour.

I am best friends with a latvian, when my father was in hospital the english doctor and english nurse were nice enough but the little asian nurse pipped up at one point and said should he be on these painkillers when he has only one kidney. I later brough her a bowl of fruit and gave her a hug. I believe she saved my fathers life. I use this as an example of how i know immigrants are decent hard working people, but the current levels are unaffordable.

But we are now in a position where it is more expensive to train nurses then bring them in from abroad. Can that be right? check newsnow for the story mate.

The NHS and the disgusting pathway which i know of a guy who had parkisnons was put on in Brighton General is a completely another matter and the NHS deserves its on thread.

I enjoy the discussion steff, you and hootnow and milo are what i call good communists. But im out to take the family for dinner and we are meeting some investors so fingers crossed.

 

[thfcsteff]

Well there is a lot to go on there steff, i am going out in a minute but shall be back again tomorrow. I will try to answer briefly now and more later.

If your talking about the 80's yes i noticed that with the city getting more power a lot in this country seemed to become obessed with the loads of money culture. Though it was also a time when people could work themselves out of a lower class.

Manufacturing was hurt massively by my idol maggie but manufacturing actually decreased by a larger amount under labour 97-08. It is something we need to reverse.

Hi-tech manufacturing is actually on the increase in places like Cambridge and we really need to link up our universities to employment more. But both recent governements could have done more in attracting manufacturing jobs. Including allowing companies to go into schools not just colleges and help design subjects with a career in manufacturing in mind.

On immigration, i do nto blame immigration on all of this countries problems, why do the left always say this i would love to know?????
Immigration is not to blame for all of this countries problems and i have never said it has. It has now gotten far to much and needs to be controlled but we still need highly skilled immigrants. My shares in Riccardo would be wirth brick without the talented staff it recruits from all over the world.

But we do not need low skilled immigrants when we have so many unemployed here, British workers who are lazy and do not believe they should have to work. I believe most are good and want to work but we have rewarded some for not working and under labour it was easier for them to go and get foreign workers rather then make their core vote go out and work. It is a problem that started under labour.

I am best friends with a latvian, when my father was in hospital the english doctor and english nurse were nice enough but the little asian nurse pipped up at one point and said should he be on these painkillers when he has only one kidney. I later brough her a bowl of fruit and gave her a hug. I believe she saved my fathers life. I use this as an example of how i know immigrants are decent hard working people, but the current levels are unaffordable.

But we are now in a position where it is more expensive to train nurses then bring them in from abroad. Can that be right? check newsnow for the story mate.

The NHS and the disgusting pathway which i know of a guy who had parkisnons was put on in Brighton General is a completely another matter and the NHS deserves its on thread.

I enjoy the discussion steff, you and hootnow and milo are what i call good communists. But im out to take the family for dinner and we are meeting some investors so fingers crossed.

:lol:
Superb. I might almost be proud mate! ;-)
And might I reply in kind that you are one of my favorite right-wingers to discuss with too!

Seriously, I will also read through your reply in detail later and yes, let's keep the discussion going. As ever, I think decent people agree on the major points and the devil is always in the details...

p.s. hope your meeting goes well.

 

[Roy1983]

This forum would be so much better without KD and AS but we can't have it all eh?

Ukip are without doubt the only party we should all be hoping gets in.

 

[Gordinho]

This forum would be so much better without KD and AS but we can't have it all eh?

Ukip are without doubt the only party we should all be hoping gets in.

In my opinion they'll go the way of the SDP.

 

[Roy1983]

I'd rather be that than what i think you are to be honest.

I have money down that you have no real clue as to what UKIP are all about. Mr "EDL is the honest way forward they just want whats best for England like me" Roy

been paying close attention to you and what you say on things racial and political....and quite frankly i have met people like you before and it isnt even that you yourself are a proven macaron , i think you are quite worse than that...proven macarons puts you in a higher level quite frankly

where is that Big issue thread? and the riots one too? are they in classics

LOL i have no qualms with people like you Roy...and your boys like Camden spur calling me a proven macaron. I have been called INFINITELY much worse by your very niche group.

i should actually say thank you for keeping the insult soft and civil, i guess if you REALLY said what i bet you say about ethnic monitories behind closed doors...who knows...it might just be hurtful:lol:

Interesting to know what you consider my 'niche group'. Do you mean white people? Quite racist isn't it. I'm on AS ignore list which is a good thing although he won't be able to respond to me to answer me but I think it's clear what he means.

 

[Hootnow]

But we are now in a position where it is more expensive to train nurses then bring them in from abroad. Can that be right? check newsnow for the story mate.

The NHS and the disgusting pathway which i know of a guy who had parkisnons was put on in Brighton General is a completely another matter and the NHS deserves its on thread.

I enjoy the discussion steff, you and hootnow and milo are what i call good communists. But im out to take the family for dinner and we are meeting some investors so fingers crossed.

I think this makes sense mate and especially in MEDCs, it is more cost effective generally to import your healthcare professionals. We don't have to spend the large amounts of money training these professionals.

I don't know how much it costs to train nurses (though it isn't likely to be pennies) but the medical school I'm at has told me that training each one of us costs around half a million over the 6 years the Undergrads are there (as a mature student, I'm slightly less as I'm only there for 5).

How much does it cost to recruit an Indian or Nigerian doctor who's already trained, as long as we can verify that they're safe? Certainly nowhere near half a million, that's for sure.

We should always be making sure though that healthcare graduates from within this country have a job here, otherwise its a horrific waste of government money.


You cheeky fudger. Even in my younger days, I wasn't a communist or even a socialist. Great ideas in theory, not sure I have a high enough opinion of humans to think they can work in real life. Socially, I'm definitely on the left though.

Good luck with the meeting, hopefully you and the wife impress!


As a side note, I'm very interested to see how UKIP get on in the next few years, both in terms of elections and coverage. They receive a huge amount of coverage compared to the Greens for example, who have only 5 or 6 less Councillers, an actual MP in the Houses of Parliament and some London representatives as well. If they find it difficult to break into the 1st past the post system in 2015, what will happen to them? Interesting times.

 

[Hootnow]

Interesting to know what you consider my 'niche group'. Do you mean white people? Quite racist isn't it. I'm on AS ignore list which is a good thing although he won't be able to respond to me to answer me but I think it's clear what he means.

I think he means racists, not whites. It would be pretty difficult to claim that whites were a niche group in a country where they're still 90% of the population!

Anyway, can't we all just braid each others' hair, sing love songs around the camp fire and make beautiful peace?