Summer transfer thread, AvB window wrap up pg 1527

[jimmyb]

Re: Summer transfer thread, do NOT believe everything SSN "understand" #Levytime

Dribbling is not the same as intelligence. Dembele created a third as many chances as Modric did last season, for good reason - if you watch him regularly and follow the Fulham forums, you'll notice that they say he's brilliant in everywhere but the final third, where he's hopeless and more likely to run up blind alleys instead of spotting the key pass. Hence, he has flourished as a deep player, after starting out as a headless chicken of an AM. I'm not saying he is a bad player by any means, I am saying he has his advantages but you cannot demand him to play a role he's not suited for.

We need team intelligence. We need players who can transition instantly from defense to attack. We need players who can circulate the ball with Modric's passing range. Right now, there is no one capable of doing so, and I can only point to Liverpool's incredible fall from 2nd to 8th due to the loss of one Xabi Alonso, a player who could see past corners. (Yes I know Torres's fitness issues also played a role, but he wasn't the main reason.)

We don't especially need team intelligence any more than we need other team qualities.

What we need, to state the blinking obvious, is to win more points.

And, I venture to suggest, although our remaining players might not have as much football intelligence as some of those who have left, we won't rely on our players to provide 100% of that intelligence under the new regime.

Harry's MO was to allow good players to do their thing and not to interfere.

AVB will give his team more structure and tactical awareness. And that will, to an extent, compensate for the loss of some intelligent players.

 

[harr1984]

Re: Summer transfer thread, do NOT believe everything SSN "understand" #Levytime

I do think this love in for VDV is over the top, he was hardly world class. World class players do it consistently, which he certainly didn't.

There's no doubt he had great technical ability but he never dominated games and the amount of telling contributions he made dwindled in his second season which no doubt was down to his fitness issues. I don't think he would get in our first team in the system we play and I think AVB felt the same....

 

[markysimmo]

Re: Summer transfer thread, do NOT believe everything SSN "understand" #Levytime

Ummmm! £18m profit? I wonder where that will go?

Stadium costs....

 

[Spursalot]

Re: Summer transfer thread, do NOT believe everything SSN "understand" #Levytime

19 players out
7 players in

Plenty of money off the wage bill, why not break the bank for the players we wanted?

9 of them were reserve/youth players.. hardly reducing the wage bill..

 

[africanspurs]

Re: Summer transfer thread, do NOT believe everything SSN "understand" #Levytime

VdV couldn't dribble. Dembele can.

Modric couldn't score (much). Gylfi can.

Dempsey can do both really well.

This idea that we've got no one 'good' in is rubbish. Players are simply not just 'good' or 'bad'. They're good at some things, woeful at others. We've gotten rid of a couple of players who were brilliant at some things. We've replaced them with a few players who are brilliant at other things. Is that a trade-off that will work? Time will tell. But I'd prefer that we did that as opposed to signing Moutinho for 22 million quid and 150k a week because he fits the nebulous 'good' standard we expect all signings to have.

Incidentally, though, all three players we've signed have lit up the Premier League. Moutinho has averaged a couple of goals a season, and a few assists, in the Liga sagres. Just saying, mate.

so you pick a quality that one person cant do and then find it in another player and then say we have replaced it well enough

btw...dempsey cant dribble well....where did that come from mate ...cooome ooon

for every quality you name thats missing in those players i can name at least 4 that the other guys are missing in comparison to modric and VDV

by the way...VDV could dribble and score. modric could do everything but shoot consistently well...however he and dempsey play 2 totally..and i mean TOTALLY different positions. one guy lives in the box and the other guy plays all over the pitch. guess who scored more

and guess what positon moutinho plays. oh yeah..thats right dude, and it aint behind the front man..ala siggy and dempsey.

we have brought in good players..but thats not what the poster was talking about.

make you a bet that if modric starts regularly for real that he gets at least 7 goals this season (depending on what position he plays LOL)

one other thing, moutinho has been good for several years.

 

[thfcsteff]

Re: Summer transfer thread, do NOT believe everything SSN "understand" #Levytime

Disappointed overall but we need to regroup and get behind the lads

I am gutted abut Moutinho, especially if the gap was (as is being rumored) 4 million euros!!!! I cannot believe that to be honest...still, the balance leaves us as looking very strong. Forward options are very good, midfield options are good (given that Modric is irreplaceable) I think Lloris is a VITAL signing...I dunno, Levy's method have certainly left me feeling frustrated BUT I will reserve judgement on the Moutinho deal not happening until I hear the facts. Overall, Ade, Sigurdsson, Dembele, Lloris, Vertonghen and Dempsey with the likes of Kranjcar, Dos Santos and Bassong shipped out is excellent. Rafa leaving doesn't gut me like it does some, yes a loss, but he was severely tailing off IMHO...

 

[mason]

Re: Summer transfer thread, do NOT believe everything SSN "understand" #Levytime

So after the dust has settled, we've added six first team players to the squad and received about £18.4m from player trading....

...we didn't get everyone we were after but there's always January.

I think some of those figures are quite biased in our favour.

Modric was no more than £30m (-3m)
GDS 5m!!!?? where did you hear that?? more likely 2m (-3m)
Lloris was 8m rising to 12m (-4m)

So I think the total is closer to £8m income, still a profit but not quite as extravagant.

Overall disappointed to not have a proper playmaker or replacement for Bale/Lennon. Time will tell how much of an impact that will have.

 

[THFC6061]

Re: Summer transfer thread, do NOT believe everything SSN "understand" #Levytime

GDS was 1m euros (£800K).

I was estimating 5m, as I haven't seen a source which quotes his fee.

Do you have one?

 

[DubaiSpur]

Re: Summer transfer thread, do NOT believe everything SSN "understand" #Levytime

Forget youtube videos, they can make Jenas look like Iniesta. It's better to follow forums regularly and see what their own fans say.

Look, let's just wait and see what happens. I think we will be in trouble because we've traded brains for brawn, but who knows.

Mmm. Or, alternatively, it's better to look at the stats and see what they have to say. The stats routinely paint our new signings as among the most effective performers in the league, per se.

 

[thfcsteff]

Re: Summer transfer thread, do NOT believe everything SSN "understand" #Levytime

so you pick a quality that one person cant do and then find it in another player and then say we have replaced it well enough

btw...dempsey cant dribble well....where did that come from mate ...cooome ooon

for every quality you name thats missing in those players i can name at least 4 that the other guys are missing in comparison to modric and VDV

by the way...VDV could dribble and score. modric could do everything but shoot consistently well...however he and dempsey play 2 totally..and i mean TOTALLY different positions. one guy lives in the box and the other guy plays all over the pitch. guess who scored more

and guess what positon moutinho plays. oh yeah..thats right dude, and it aint behind the front man..ala siggy and dempsey.

we have brought in good players..but thats not what the poster was talking about.

make you a bet that if modric starts regularly for real that he gets at least 7 goals this season (depending on what position he plays LOL)

one other thing, moutinho has been good for several years.

Luka Modric is a superb player. I genuinely believe some will not realize how great until he's pushing Real to the CL Final...

 

[charlietheyid]

Re: Summer transfer thread, do NOT believe everything SSN "understand" #Levytime

Been a fantastic couple of days on here, really enjoyed it.

 

[jimmyb]

Re: Summer transfer thread, do NOT believe everything SSN "understand" #Levytime

Well if that is true then we need to get rid of Bentley, Jenas and other deadweight.

That's a given!

 

[SpurMeUp]

Re: Summer transfer thread, do NOT believe everything SSN "understand" #Levytime

If we had got to 1,500 pages would we have signed Moutinho??

We probably will now...and he'll be announced in the morning.

 

[Millsy_Yiddo]

Re: Summer transfer thread, do NOT believe everything SSN "understand" #Levytime

I think they've got more ability at different things. 'Overall' ability is, like I said before, an entirely nebulous concept. To succeed, you need a mix of players with different attributes, not just generally 'good' players.

We've bought specialists at different things. It is up to our manager to use them effectively.

If you asked fans which players they'd rather have, they'll always choose the player with the bigger reputation. I dare say many fans wanted Bentley over Lennon in the summer of 2008. Shows how much we know, I suppose.

Only time will tell I suppose, Modric made his name at us, hopefully some of the new guys can too. Looking forward to the rest of the season but a little scared too! ha

 

[africanspurs]

Re: Summer transfer thread, do NOT believe everything SSN "understand" #Levytime

can i just say that there is a direct correlation between the highest earner of a football team and the overall wage bill of the squad in general

just saying. if we break the bank for one then the whole thing goes kaput

 

[thfcsteff]

Re: Summer transfer thread, do NOT believe everything SSN "understand" #Levytime

We don't especially need team intelligence any more than we need other team qualities.

What we need, to state the blinking obvious, is to win more points.

And, I venture to suggest, although our remaining players might not have as much football intelligence as some of those who have left, we won't rely on our players to provide 100% of that intelligence under the new regime.

Harry's MO was to allow good players to do their thing and not to interfere.

AVB will give his team more structure and tactical awareness. And that will, to an extent, compensate for the loss of some intelligent players.

Great observation...

=D>

 

[Rossi22]

Re: Summer transfer thread, do NOT believe everything SSN "understand" #Levytime

If we had got to 1,500 pages would we have signed Moutinho??

Yeah, it's our fault.

 

[Crawley]

Re: Summer transfer thread, do NOT believe everything SSN "understand" #Levytime

Ummmm! £18m profit? I wonder where that will go?

Season ticket refunds?

 

[jimmyb]

Re: Summer transfer thread, do NOT believe everything SSN "understand" #Levytime

If we can't blame the club then who can we blame? Jenas?

Moutinho or his agent, perhaps?

 

[marcospur2]

Re: Summer transfer thread, do NOT believe everything SSN "understand" #Levytime

Luka Modric is a superb player. I genuinely believe some will not realize how great until he's pushing Real to the CL Final...

I absolutely think some are underestimating the loss of Modric, and VDV (often through convenient revisionism) and overstating the players we have bought. DOn't get me wrong we have bought some very good players, and a few good propsects, but we are going to have to get motoring rapidly to ensure we are in the mix for the top 4 places.