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[spurspinter1]

What is being 'unspoken' about Schofield?

He's has had a relationship with someone at work?
It was a with a man younger than him?
It was while still with, and living a lie to his wife?.
Is this not everyday brick people deal with around messy relationships?

Putting those two in the same catagory does seem beyond unfair.

Most blokes would high five Leonardo DiCaprio for getting with the latest 18/19 year old supermodel out of respect / envy but if it's a man with a younger male the same age as Leo's latest conquest it's appalling behavior.

Being unfaithful isn't admirable and there are questions about knowing someone when they were younger and then having a romantic relationship with them, Woody Allen took that a different level. Saville committed atrocities on countless children against their will, Schofield had sexual relations with a consenting adult.

 

[billyiddo]

... who he possibly groomed

That's the story

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

... who he possibly groomed

That's the story

I honestly haven't spent much time on this story (so not sure why I'm asking tbh), but from what age are we talking about?

 

[Lemonade Money]

Putting those two in the same catagory does seem beyond unfair.

Most blokes would high five Leonardo DiCaprio for getting with the latest 18/19 year old supermodel out of respect / envy but if it's a man with a younger male the same age as Leo's latest conquest it's appalling behavior.

Being unfaithful isn't admirable and there are questions about knowing someone when they were younger and then having a romantic relationship with them, Woody Allen took that a different level. Saville committed atrocities on countless children against their will, Schofield had sexual relations with a consenting adult.

I'm not matching what they've done, I'm matching the scenario where their colleagues know what's going on, but do nothing.

 

[spurspinter1]

... who he possibly groomed

That's the story

The grooming part is difficult, I said that was the questionable aspect in my post - It goes without saying that any sexual activity with someone not of age is not okay, but factually the younger person was of age and I'm not expert but that means defining it as grooming is not a correct labelling of it. FWIW it seems sketchy as hell that 16 is the age of consent, it should be higher but the law is what it is but that's another discussion.

Take Woody Allen as I mentioned, I know laws often differ across the pond but he ended up in a romantic relationship with someone he provided childcare to when they were a child, was that grooming in your view? Because that seems a lot longer of a time investment than what you appear to be judging Schofield for.

It's not a defense as I'm not into deception / adultery in a monogamous relationship but the quote of "it was unwise but not illegal" seems to match with our legal system's interpretation.

I had the misfortune of clicking on the comments on a Facebook post on the Schofield furore (my choice I know) and it seemed like it was just an excuse for anyone to post a whole load of standard homophobic rhetoric, the implication that only gays are pedos etc Same as on any post that may refer to pride or the rainbow flag from our club or any others, it's almost impressive the amount of stupidity / hate on show around this stuff.

@LemonadeMoney Saville absolutely, that was institution wide cover up but given that no laws were broken in Schofield's case (unlike his brother's) it's asking a lot for anyone else to wade in to that situation.

 

[billyiddo]

Valid points but it is that part of the affair that is making it a story, - Schofield met him when he was young, younger than the age of consent 13 i believe (@ricky2tricky4city to answer your question ) and that's the sticking point

 

[DeanoAustin]

Valid points but it is that part of the affair that is making it a story, - Schofield met him when he was young, younger than the age of consent 13 i believe (@ricky2tricky4city to answer your question ) and that's the sticking point

Exactly. I don't get a whiff of homophobia off this. He met him when the lad was underage, got him a job in TV and then began a realtionship with him when the lad was over the age of consent. Then lied about it to several people.

Really looks like grooming which would get the same sort of coverage if it was a bloke and a girl.

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

Valid points but it is that part of the affair that is making it a story, - Schofield met him when he was young, younger than the age of consent 13 i believe (@ricky2tricky4city to answer your question ) and that's the sticking point

Are they hoping to nail him by uncovering some information that points to the boy/teenager/man being under consent age when a sexual relationship began?.

If he was over 16 then what can one say beyond it feels a bit off/distasteful? But that would be ones personal reaction, none of us have a clue how the two people involved felt about each other?

I'm sure Schofield lied to protect what was ultimately the charade of his marriage?.

There is an irony this has blown up literally a few days after he disowned his brother for being convicted of crimes against minors.

 

[spurspinter1]

Exactly. I don't get a whiff of homophobia off this. He met him when the lad was underage, got him a job in TV and then began a realtionship with him when the lad was over the age of consent. Then lied about it to several people.

Really looks like grooming which would get the same sort of coverage if it was a bloke and a girl.

It's already been discussed that nothing illegal has happened (unless more stuff comes out that nobody knows anything about). Unless I'm mistaken you can know someone while they're young and then end up having a romantic relationship once they're of age, like Woody Allen eventually banging his adopted daughter. It's not great on paper but Allen is still allowed to work, what's the difference?

It's great that you don't get a whiff of homophobia, I've seen it in comments in it's worst form as I mentioned on Facebook etc and the over the top outrage in general. No doubt a lot of white folk didn't get a whiff of racism when being heavily involved in slavery or outrage about fictional characters in adaptations played by different ethnicities either.

 

[DeanoAustin]

It's already been discussed that nothing illegal has happened (unless more stuff comes out that nobody knows anything about). Unless I'm mistaken you can know someone while they're young and then end up having a romantic relationship once they're of age, like Woody Allen eventually banging his adopted daughter. It's not great on paper but Allen is still allowed to work, what's the difference?

It's great that you don't get a whiff of homophobia, I've seen it in comments in its worst form as I mentioned on Facebook etc and the over the top outrage in general. No doubt a lot of white folk didn't get a whiff of racism when being heavily involved in slavery or outrage about fictional characters in adaptations played by different

Bit of a leap there…

The story here is not that he had a relationship with someone a lot younger than him. It’s the fact Schofield used his influence to get the lad into TV when the lad was underage, subsequently had a relationship with him and then lied to all and sundry about it.

There’s a very, very strong whiff of grooming off this story and Schofields behaviour means he knew what he was doing was wrong.

If he’d done the same with a girl, he’d be getting the same treatment.

 

[spurspinter1]

Bit of a leap there…

The story here is not that he had a relationship with someone a lot younger than him. It’s the fact Schofield used his influence to get the lad into TV when the lad was underage, subsequently had a relationship with him and then lied to all and sundry about it.

There’s a very, very strong whiff of grooming off this story and Schofields behaviour means he knew what he was doing was wrong.

If he’d done the same with a girl, he’d be getting the same treatment.

But as I've said (now up to three times in this thread and nobody has countered with any factual evidence), it's not grooming if the person is of age. Legally speaking it's sound but no doubt seems iffy morally, we'll just keep on going round in circles.

Appreciate my examples are a leap but I hope you appreciate my point, no disrespect and I am making an assumption but I doubt you are an authority of what constitutes as homophobia, you can deny what I've seen on comments if you like but it doesn't change the fact that people are jumping on it as an excuse to display their prejudice.

When Saville was caught out actually committing crimes, I doubt anyone was saying "ah typical heterosexuals, noncing it up as always" and that's being said of Schofield and the gays despite what he did being not illegal but unwise.

 

[DeanoAustin]

But as I've said (now up to three times in this thread and nobody has countered with any factual evidence), it's not grooming if the person is of age. Legally speaking it's sound but no doubt seems iffy morally, we'll just keep on going round in circles.

Appreciate my examples are a leap but I hope you appreciate my point, no disrespect and I am making an assumption but I doubt you are an authority of what constitutes as homophobia, you can deny what I've seen on comments if you like but it doesn't change the fact that people are jumping on it as an excuse to display their prejudice.

When Saville was caught out actually committing crimes, I doubt anyone was saying "ah typical heterosexuals, noncing it up as always" and that's being said of Schofield and the gays despite what he did being not illegal but unwise.

It's the fact Schofield met the lad when he was underage and, as I've read it, started to help him to get into TV while he was underage. So there is an appearance here that he helped an underage lad get something so that he could later have a relationship with him. That's the problem with this - there's a massive power imbalance here and it looks like Schofield took advantage of it. The fact he lied about it to his then-wife, his co-workers and an investigation by his employers only heightens the appearance that he did something wrong and that he knew it was wrong.

I'm sure some idiots are probably using it as a way to channel their homophobia but most of the coverage I've seen of it really does seem to be focusing on the fact that a young man was potentially manipulated from when he was a child with little emphasis being put on the fact it was a homosexual relationship.

 

[Grays_1890]

It's the fact Schofield met the lad when he was underage and, as I've read it, started to help him to get into TV while he was underage. So there is an appearance here that he helped an underage lad get something so that he could later have a relationship with him. That's the problem with this - there's a massive power imbalance here and it looks like Schofield took advantage of it. The fact he lied about it to his then-wife, his co-workers and an investigation by his employers only heightens the appearance that he did something wrong and that he knew it was wrong.

I'm sure some idiots are probably using it as a way to channel their homophobia but most of the coverage I've seen of it really does seem to be focusing on the fact that a young man was potentially manipulated from when he was a child with little emphasis being put on the fact it was a homosexual relationship.

Isn't grooming an issue though when your intention is to do harm to a minor? Like teachers and preists abusing their status to abuse kids. As grey an area as it is if he used his status to help the lad but waited till age of concent then its probably more a question of ethics and honesty rather than what I've seen and him being a "nonce"

For the record think it's a bad look and he has acted appallingly to those around him and should have to face what that comes with that but there is clear cross over from his brothers story and the whole nonce stuff is slightly OTT from some.

There are certainly some idiots out there clearly hammering home that being gay and a nonce are the same thing, where as, as someone said earlier there seems to be more back slapping and high fives for heterosexual examples. That said you get idiots saying idiotic things everywhere

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[DeanoAustin]

Isn't grooming an issue though when your intention is to do harm to a minor? Like teachers and preists abusing their status to abuse kids. As grey an area as it is if he used his status to help the lad but waited till age of concent then its probably more a question of ethics and honesty rather than what I've seen and him being a "nonce"

For the record think it's a bad look and he has acted appallingly to those around him and should have to face what that comes with that but there is clear cross over from his brothers story and the whole nonce stuff is slightly OTT from some.

There are certainly some idiots out there clearly hammering home that being gay and a nonce are the same thing, where as, as someone said earlier there seems to be more back slapping and high fives for heterosexual examples. That said you get idiots saying idiotic things everywhere

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I would have thought that manipulating an underage person like that is grooming even if you start a relationship with them after they reach the age of consent. I'm not an expert in this area though so maybe it is just bad ethics rather than grooming. Either way, it feels wrong and I suspect Schofield knows that given he's lied.

The timing is very unfortunate for him with his brother's stuff coming out. Not coincidental I'd imagine especially when you see some of the cretins who are delighting in sticking the boot in. From what we currently know about the case, the way he's been tarred by some is a bit unfair IMO.

Anyone equating being a nonce and being gay is an idiot. Don't deny it happens but it seems to be fudgewits on social media rather than anyone with credibility or the media in general. And, from memory, people were pretty disgusted at Woody Allen for his relationship with Mia Farrow's daughter (which is one example that was mentioned). At the time I was 12/13 and I knew it was off. The daughter at that point was 22 and Allen wasn't her dad and claimed he never lived with Farrow (or her).

 

[Lemonade Money]

Succession finale, lets goooooo.

Hmmm, enjoyed it, but not much of an ending and some implausible twists.

 

[Grays_1890]

Hmmm, enjoyed it, but not much of an ending and some implausible twists.

I have tried so hard to get into Succession but finding it hard to stick with, not sure if its meant to be serious or funny or both, find the acting from the kids terrible in places especially the poorer known Culkin but feel compelled to stick with it because Brian Cox is the shining light. The story line of siblings sabotaging each other to get what they want and not getting there only has limited legs

 

[Grays_1890]

I would have thought that manipulating an underage person like that is grooming even if you start a relationship with them after they reach the age of consent. I'm not an expert in this area though so maybe it is just bad ethics rather than grooming. Either way, it feels wrong and I suspect Schofield knows that given he's lied.

The timing is very unfortunate for him with his brother's stuff coming out. Not coincidental I'd imagine especially when you see some of the cretins who are delighting in sticking the boot in. From what we currently know about the case, the way he's been tarred by some is a bit unfair IMO.

Anyone equating being a nonce and being gay is an idiot. Don't deny it happens but it seems to be fudgewits on social media rather than anyone with credibility or the media in general. And, from memory, people were pretty disgusted at Woody Allen for his relationship with Mia Farrow's daughter (which is one example that was mentioned). At the time I was 12/13 and I knew it was off. The daughter at that point was 22 and Allen wasn't her dad and claimed he never lived with Farrow (or her).

Yeh fair views

I think personally he has more questions to answer to those round him than anyone else, Eamonn Holmes seems on a one man mission to make sure he does so I will leave it to him haha.

I could not even unpack the Allen v Farrow stuff when it happened, I think it was more complicated, was he not accused of abuse of the kids from the age of 8 or something and it turned out that Farrow was the one under accusation from the kids? I can't remember the details other than the fact you are right he did marry one of the adopted kids eventually, odd situations all round.

 

[DeanoAustin]

Yeh fair views

I think personally he has more questions to answer to those round him than anyone else, Eamonn Holmes seems on a one man mission to make sure he does so I will leave it to him haha.

I could not even unpack the Allen v Farrow stuff when it happened, I think it was more complicated, was he not accused of abuse of the kids from the age of 8 or something and it turned out that Farrow was the one under accusation from the kids? I can't remember the details other than the fact you are right he did marry one of the adopted kids eventually, odd situations all round.

Eamonn Holmes looks a bit undignified to me. He's gleefully sticking the boot in to anyone who will listen. Maybe he has justification for it - I just haven't heard anything yet that does justify it.

On Allen, all I heard at the time was he was having a relationship with his stepdaughter. That wasn't completely accurate but I remember being disgusted by it. Only read up on it today - all sorts of f**ked up stuff went on there like you say.

 

[spurspinter1]

I would have thought that manipulating an underage person like that is grooming even if you start a relationship with them after they reach the age of consent. I'm not an expert in this area though so maybe it is just bad ethics rather than grooming. Either way, it feels wrong and I suspect Schofield knows that given he's lied.

The timing is very unfortunate for him with his brother's stuff coming out. Not coincidental I'd imagine especially when you see some of the cretins who are delighting in sticking the boot in. From what we currently know about the case, the way he's been tarred by some is a bit unfair IMO.

Anyone equating being a nonce and being gay is an idiot. Don't deny it happens but it seems to be fudgewits on social media rather than anyone with credibility or the media in general. And, from memory, people were pretty disgusted at Woody Allen for his relationship with Mia Farrow's daughter (which is one example that was mentioned). At the time I was 12/13 and I knew it was off. The daughter at that point was 22 and Allen wasn't her dad and claimed he never lived with Farrow (or her).

All of this is more than fair enough, as you say it seems more a point of bad / questionable ethics. Nobody is defending the aspect of lying about the relationship or even just cheating with his missus, but unless we have a legal expert on here it's that tricky definition of what constitutes grooming as opposed to potentially questionable behavior, and I absolutely think the age of consent should be raised either way - Maybe I'm being judgemental but if you're a 40 year old looking to get with a 16 old that's a worry imo.

Agree with you in terms of Holmes' gleeful involvement but it may have something to do with his name becoming more and more irrelevant unless he knows some other stuff as you say.

Back to television, I've recently started umbrella academy, still settling in to the vibe but I am enjoying it. Not to start another debate but it's interesting seeing Elliot Page playing a role before their transition..

Also a new series of I think you should leave out which I can't wait to watch, Tim Robinson is fudging hilarious.

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

I would have thought that manipulating an underage person like that is grooming even if you start a relationship with them after they reach the age of consent. I'm not an expert in this area though so maybe it is just bad ethics rather than grooming. Either way, it feels wrong and I suspect Schofield knows that given he's lied.

The timing is very unfortunate for him with his brother's stuff coming out. Not coincidental I'd imagine especially when you see some of the cretins who are delighting in sticking the boot in. From what we currently know about the case, the way he's been tarred by some is a bit unfair IMO.

Anyone equating being a nonce and being gay is an idiot. Don't deny it happens but it seems to be fudgewits on social media rather than anyone with credibility or the media in general. And, from memory, people were pretty disgusted at Woody Allen for his relationship with Mia Farrow's daughter (which is one example that was mentioned). At the time I was 12/13 and I knew it was off. The daughter at that point was 22 and Allen wasn't her dad and claimed he never lived with Farrow (or her).

I usually take zero interest in these stories, but the relentless nature of hearing about it in the background or on the news breaks on the radio for day after day peaked my interest.

From a tabloid angle it's a dream story, and I guess if you were to look at their clicks, views and engagements you're are going to look for every pocket of oxygen to feed the story.

There does appear to be a bit of a pile on regarding others in the media/tv world looking to disown/delete him in a way that suggests there maybe more to come out with this story.

Although it's not good to lie, the first lie is his biggest ie living the life of a heterosexual man when internally he knows he is gay. Many men live with this torment and it is society that has created this 'coming out' anxiety. (footballers being a prime example).
I say this as all of (or most of) his other lies come from this 'mothership' lie.

Needless to say it been a bad week for the Schofield's (jeez, I don't know if their parents are still alive), and Philip has well and truly been sent back to the broom cupboard (or is that groom cupboard )