ENIC

[SpurMeUp]

Well it depends on what increased revenue constitutes towards.

I’m simply a fan, like you.
You have provided no solution how the increased revenue breaks our glass ceiling, I am perfectly entitled to criticise the descisions ENIC have made and the fact that in my opinion there isn’t an intention of pushing us really forward but more for us to simply survive in the upper echelons with the occasional push for the CL. To achieve sustained success is simply to risky and in my opinion they primary goal is to raise the value of their asset.

The pro ENIC posters seem to think that this is a short term reaction but ENIC have been here over twenty years.
You buy ENIC’s line and I don’t. I hope I’m wrong and you’re right but at the moment I don’t see it and that isn’t based on short termism that’s based on suppprting the club over the twenty years they have been in charge
Neither you nor I have any idea which one of us will be correct

What is Enic’s line?

my best advice is enjoy the journey. We might go into further disarray this summer, but the club will persevere. We have no right to be an elite club. The best thing going for us is the foundation that ENIC have put in place. It should negate against us slipping back too far, and then we’ll rebuild. Teams go through cycles. You can’t expect ongoing advancement always.

I do wonder if we had the same close knit support we enjoyed in the last season at WHL with a dedicated fan base giving the team full support, would we fair better?

 

[Lilbaz]

Unless Levy’s children inherit the club then eventually we will get new owners. Whether they will be better than the current ones remains to be seen but it’s wrong to assume either way that they will be better or indeed worse.

If a government were in charge of a country for 20 years and started making some bad decisions along the way, quite a lot of people would think it’s time for a change. I think it’s a similar case here.

But people can vote for a new government. If you don't like an owner of a business or that business, you stop giving them money. Or someone buys them out.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

What is Enic’s line?

my best advice is enjoy the journey. We might go into further disarray this summer, but the club will persevere. We have no right to be an elite club. The best thing going for us is the foundation that ENIC have put in place. It should negate against us slipping back too far, and then we’ll rebuild. Teams go through cycles. You can’t expect ongoing advancement always.

I do wonder if we had the same close knit support we enjoyed in the last season at WHL with a dedicated fan base giving the team full support, would we fair better?

As I’ve said before it was Pochs greatest achievement
United the the fans abs the club

 

[RigorMortis]

What is Enic’s line?

my best advice is enjoy the journey. We might go into further disarray this summer, but the club will persevere. We have no right to be an elite club. The best thing going for us is the foundation that ENIC have put in place. It should negate against us slipping back too far, and then we’ll rebuild. Teams go through cycles. You can’t expect ongoing advancement always.

I do wonder if we had the same close knit support we enjoyed in the last season at WHL with a dedicated fan base giving the team full support, would we fair better?

When I say ENIC’s line the pro ENIC sentiment would have been a better description, that they are building a platform for long term success.

i see as an investment to bulk up the club’s value and sell it on at a profit and any type of risk required to compete with our rivals won’t be countenanced.

I enjoyed the ride to the cl but I don’t need your advice to enjoy the ride now ok afraid.

I don’t see as in any type of cycle, I see it as a rinse and repeat exercise of hitting a glass ceiling and regressing to mean.

I’ll repeat whilst ENIC may be great business people and have enhanced the value of their asset, I do not see us being anything either than a club which bumbles around between 6-8th with the occasional surges to 4th under them unless there is a drastic change in their MO

 

[Gazza]

As I’ve said before it was Pochs greatest achievement
United the the fans abs the club

I thinks that's quite obvious ... but in saying so since pochs departure fans are turning on Enic, that cohesion has gone. Fans are polarised and Levy didn't help himself trying to join the super league after the way he dumped poch.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

I thinks that's quite obvious ... but in saying so since pochs departure fans are turning on Enic, that cohesion has gone. Fans are polarised and Levy didn't help himself trying to join the super league after the way he dumped poch.

Fans have turned but as is always the case can’t even organise a protest without getting drunk

 

[Baleforce]

I thinks that's quite obvious ... but in saying so since pochs departure fans are turning on Enic, that cohesion has gone. Fans are polarised and Levy didn't help himself trying to join the super league after the way he dumped poch.

fans are polarised though, plenty of people agreed with that decision, there were plenty happy to move on from Poch too

 

[Bedfordspurs]

When I say ENIC’s line the pro ENIC sentiment would have been a better description, that they are building a platform for long term success.

i see as an investment to bulk up the club’s value and sell it on at a profit and any type of risk required to compete with our rivals won’t be countenanced.

I enjoyed the ride to the cl but I don’t need your advice to enjoy the ride now ok afraid.

I don’t see as in any type of cycle, I see it as a rinse and repeat exercise of hitting a glass ceiling and regressing to mean.

I’ll repeat whilst ENIC may be great business people and have enhanced the value of their asset, I do not see us being anything either than a club which bumbles around between 6-8th with the occasional surges to 4th under them unless there is a drastic change in their MO

How do they fund that change in MO?

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

So has Conte not fallen out with Levy?...Damn.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

fans are polarised though, plenty of people agreed with that decision, there were plenty happy to move on from Poch too

It was the right call for the club
Just not for the fans

 

[Lilbaz]

I thinks that's quite obvious ... but in saying so since pochs departure fans are turning on Enic, that cohesion has gone. Fans are polarised and Levy didn't help himself trying to join the super league after the way he dumped poch.

They were turning on enic way before poch arrived. Look at the first post in this thread.

Abramovich then the city lot coming in and spending billions to get to the top, made fans think we can't compete. Unless we have similar. To a certain extent they are correct. Although for a while we did compete.

As for the super league, did you expect levy to say no i don't want to be a part of that and let them go off and create it on their own?

 

[Gazza]

They were turning on enic way before poch arrived. Look at the first post in this thread.

Abramovich then the city lot coming in and spending billions to get to the top, made fans think we can't compete. Unless we have similar. To a certain extent they are correct. Although for a while we did compete.

As for the super league, did you expect levy to say no i don't want to be a part of that and let them go off and create it on their own?

I love this about fans ... they want morality when it comes to the owners and not owned by some sugar daddy but defend the morality of Daniel Levy for chasing the super league.

It's either get a sugar daddy in and chase the super league or stick with doing it "the right way" and giving two fingers up at the super league.

 

[Jurgen the German]

But people can vote for a new government. If you don't like an owner of a business or that business, you stop giving them money. Or someone buys them out.

Perhaps a bit of a clunky analogy. The point I was trying to make was people really shouldn’t act surprised that people want a change of ownership after 20 years, especially when the last 5 have seen a decline in league form year on year.

 

[Jurgen the German]

I love this about fans ... they want morality when it comes to the owners and not owned by some sugar daddy but defend the morality of Daniel Levy for chasing the super league.

It's either get a sugar daddy in and chase the super league or stick with doing it "the right way" and giving two fingers up at the super league.

For some on here they’ll pretty much go along with whatever ENIC say and do.

 

[Lilbaz]

Perhaps a bit of a clunky analogy. The point I was trying to make was people really shouldn’t act surprised that people want a change of ownership after 20 years, especially when the last 5 have seen a decline in league form year on year.

I get people wanting new owners, i do too. I want some better players too and to win trophies. We should always want more.

But unless someone comes in with the right bid, enic are our owners. They are not terrible owners.

Creating a negative atmosphere and some fans wanting us to lose to get them out is just gonad*s though.

 

[Gazza]

I get people wanting new owners, i do too. I want some better players too and to win trophies. We should always want more.

But unless someone comes in with the right bid, enic are our owners. They are not terrible owners.

Creating a negative atmosphere and some fans wanting us to lose to get them out is just gonad*s though.

How do you create change? Voice opinions.

I dont actually think Enic are that bad in what they have done, but it's clear to get to the next tier, is to have a team built and invested in like they did the stadium and training ground.

I find it so ironic that Levy went above and beyond in delivering the builds with meticulous details to the finest of points but lacks massively in delivering on the pitch.

Hes got champagne and wine vaults in the stadium and ribena and orange juice made from concentrate on the pitch.

Enics model will not bring any silverware any time soon as they simply are not here to chase glory, rather to fatten up the goose for a healthy profit.

Put the club up for a reasonable price and let's see who wants it bad enough.

 

[Lilbaz]

How do you create change? Voice opinions.

I dont actually think Enic are that bad in what they have done, but it's clear to get to the next tier, is to have a team built and invested in like they did the stadium and training ground.

I find it so ironic that Levy went above and beyond in delivering the builds with meticulous details to the finest of points but lacks massively in delivering on the pitch.

Hes got champagne and wine vaults in the stadium and ribena and orange juice made from concentrate on the pitch.

Enics model will not bring any silverware any time soon as they simply are not here to chase glory, rather to fatten up the goose for a healthy profit.

Put the club up for a reasonable price and let's see who wants it bad enough.

Yet since the stadium has been open we have been spending on players. Just bad purchases. Even with covid.

This season is the first with a full capacity stadium.

Maybe see what we do in the summer.

 

[Gazza]

Yet since the stadium has been open we have been spending on players. Just bad purchases. Even with covid.

This season is the first with a full capacity stadium.

Maybe see what we do in the summer.

Let's see. Had we not had a history of failing at the last hurdle with players going to other teams at the last minute like Diaz in January I may be more optimistic. (BTW his father said we just strung the whole process out and could have had him).

But yes nothing to see right now, Let's get this another transition season over with and see what the summer brings.

 

[K.D.D.D.D.Soc]

Watching Spurs decline and being told that we are competitive is not enjoyable. No I'm not enjoying much about spurs these days, and being competitive would be the bonus.

When I go to see a game I want my team to play well and win, that's only natural but I also want to see a good game and I believe I can still appreciate good play from both teams, too many only see one team. I dislike certain teams and players but can see their talent. I've never understood all the hate for Rooney.

 

[markysimmo]

Yet since the stadium has been open we have been spending on players. Just bad purchases. Even with covid.

This season is the first with a full capacity stadium.

Maybe see what we do in the summer.

Be nice to actually have a sell out this season, been way down on capacity so far

Only twice over 60k