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Coronavirus
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The uk has given £500m to the covax scheme to supply vaccines for poor countries (admittedly it has been a bit brick). Also the agreement with az was to sell the vaccine to poor countries at cost (the uk funded the research). It is being made in 13 different countries.
The record highs aren't that high apart from indonesia and even then compared to their population size not much.
Lets see how those countries compare really.
Deaths per million population:
Uk 1886
Potugal 1693
Namibia 968
Tunisia 1453
South Africa (who sold their az vaccines to other countries) 1113
Georgia 1394
Malaysia 214
Russia 1017
Indonesia 266
Zimbabwe 272
Looking at that, you'd think the uk might need the vaccines.
I'm confused aswell. We should wait to lift restrictions till we vaccinate everyone, but we should give our vaccines to other countries? Makes sense.
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Mikey10
Pat van den Hauwe
The reason we’re top of the death charts is because we have a fudging incompetent lunatic in charge.
As i've said i'm not a fan of boris and want a full investigation (and prison time for corruption). But we are not top of the death chart at all and no it's not all down to boris either.
There are so many factors.
Age demographic. Africa the average age is 18 on the continent. Uk it's 40.
Se asian people seem to have more immunity to coronaviruses than europeans.
Weight and especially diabetes. More prevelant in the west.
Vitamin d. Northern hemisphere countries get less during winter than those in the tropics. This is especially felt more by darker skinned people in the north as they absorb less vitamin d from the sun. The scandanavian countries add vitamin d to bread and milk. Which we should follow.
The uk variant started here. If it wasn't for the uk genomic sequencing, other variants around the world wouldn't have been noticed.
Boris fudged up a lot. But ignoring other factors means we don't learn.
monkeybarry
Ian Walker
Insert facepalm emoji
The problem isn't we haven't got workers. It's the fact they can't work, for no reason.
Even tony blair understands it. Your answer is to import workers? Ok.
We are not in the same situation we were a year ago. The case fatality rate has dropped for 3-4% to lower than 0.2% and is dropping every day. As more people get their second jab and the number of people without any immunity falls.
Cases might be going up. But those with symptoms have plateaued. Even dropping the last week. There is a lag so people in hospital. Might rise for the next week ( rose 163 yesterday) and deaths a bit longer. But they will level off. Probably quickly as we are currently seeing the effects of the euros.
Then yes we do everything we can to help the rest of the world. But like the flight attendant on the plane tells you. Put the mask on yourself first before helping others. Cause if you are fudged you're of no help to anyone.
Cases might be going up. But those with symptoms have plateaued. Even dropping the last week. There is a lag so people in hospital. Might rise for the next week ( rose 163 yesterday) and deaths a bit longer. But they will level off. Probably quickly as we are currently seeing the effects of the euros.
Then yes we do everything we can to help the rest of the world. But like the flight attendant on the plane tells you. Put the mask on yourself first before helping others. Cause if you are fudged you're of no help to anyone.
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monkeybarry
Ian Walker
Happy freedom Day everyone!
Take that covid.
Rule Britannia, Britannia rules the.....
Take that covid.
Rule Britannia, Britannia rules the.....
Did you want to stay in lockdown? Not go to football or nightclubs? Not go to a friends wedding? Not pull, stay social distanced? Bit of sexting instead?
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markysimmo
Johnny nice-tits
markysimmo
Johnny nice-tits
I'd love to know who they asked, no doubt loads of people who don't want to go back to work !!
It's like the advisers are trying to post the biggest number going to get their names in lights !!
100k, no 200k, no 250k, no 27,000,000....literally fudge off
It's like the advisers are trying to post the biggest number going to get their names in lights !!
100k, no 200k, no 250k, no 27,000,000....literally fudge off
monkeybarry
Ian Walker
Actually, yes - until everyone has been double jabbed; which isn't far away.
The measures are fine - the timing and approach is off.
markysimmo
Johnny nice-tits
Quite simple then, stay in, lock your doors, wear 6 masks at all time and a hazmat suit until end September
monkeybarry
Ian Walker
Which unfortunately still isn't protection.
Having had a highly vulnerable parent that left the flat once (once!) in 2020, who was still hospitalised in Jan 2021 and came very close to dying, two and a half months of my, and everyone else's life being a tiny bit restricted is worth it.
Once we've reached full vaccination offering we hit "new normal". People may still die after that, but that will be the world with covid we now live in.
Anyone that suffers before fully offered vaccination has been partly let down by their fellow members of society.
Ok we are not vaccinating children so it will only be adults that need both jabs. We have given first doses to 87.9% of the adult population (46,295,853 people, 100% will be 52,670,000). This week take up of first dose has been between 50,000 and 70,000 a day. So it will take 91 days to give everyone their first jab at that speed. Another 3 months after that for second jabs. Say we speed it up and it only takes 3 months. It leaves you opening up at the beginning of winter (which we do not want). Although the problem is that people don't want to get the vaccine. Every adult has been offered one.
Over 40's have been double jabbed (at least the ones that haven't refused). Over 40's count for nearly all deaths from covid.
The assumption is that removing restrictions will see cases rise. They already are. But the number of symptomatic cases is not rising. Because so many people have immunity. In the parts of the uk where delta hit first they are seeing a fall in cases. Look at the numbers for scotland. Why? Because the virus is running out of people to infect.
Schools are on holiday, it's the middle of summer, the euros are over. The vulnerable are as protected as we can make them. If there was anytime to open up it is now.
I understand people are scared, but more people died in road accidents yesterday than from covid. You'll still get in a car or cross the road.
Everyone has been offered full vaccination. Problem is for under 30s the vaccine is almost as much of a risk as the virus. For under 18s probably more so.
The case fatality rate in the uk is 0.2% (and dropping). This is less than the flu 0.3%. Should we close nightclubs every flu season?
monkeybarry
Ian Walker
Once all adults have been offered and had two jabs (or rejected), then we are fine to open up as we just have - that creates the natural level of our societal approach to protecting each other.
Short of mandating vaccination, which I'm not in favour of because it sets the wrong level of control at Govt level, we have to accept that natural societal level.
Look at the table of deaths by age. Then try to understand that under 40s are at hardly any risk of dying.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/det...ithin_28_days_of_positive_test_by_age_and_sex
Mikey10
Pat van den Hauwe
I’d like this a hundred times if I could.
‘…hardly any risk…’ is the key phrase.