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Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

SpurMeUp said:
Abstain is also an option.

I don't like the notion of going through the motions and not asserting what you think is right. Stand up for what you believe and what you believe is the right thing for your constituents, even if that means abstaining as you don't support either option. To go along with suboptimal, or evening damaging, policies and put your name to it, is cowardly in my eyes. Will be interesting to see how MPs deal with this.
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Abstaining when a motion needs votes is the same as voting against it.

The only.difference is political posturing.
 
SpurMeUp said:
Abstain is also an option.

I don't like the notion of going through the motions and not asserting what you think is right. Stand up for what you believe and what you believe is the right thing for your constituents, even if that means abstaining as you don't support either option. To go along with suboptimal, or evening damaging, policies and put your name to it, is cowardly in my eyes. Will be interesting to see how MPs deal with this.
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I find abstaining a bit weak in general. You can still vote and give reasons why you vote one way or another.
 
That absolute clam phoning in, sounds like pure West Ham scum. I've had that exact same conversation with my mate's stepdad who is pro Brexit. Except in his case, it was Strasburg instead of Luxemburg. I asked him to name one thing Strasburg had done to affect his life. After about an hour of asking, he couldn't name a single thing, just kept repeating himself that he wouldn't be told what to do by Strasburg. UK have made their bed, they can lay in it now but the fact most of the people who voted to leave have the ability to explain their decision as badly as that caller and every other one I've spoken to suggests to me, the rest of the country is being led into an unfortunate disaster by the UK equivalent of the MAGA crew.
 
Do you think Boris' trip to Brussels will be about him sealing a trade deal (conceding on a number of things to get the deal), or him coming back saying, see I tried my best?

"Sovereignty" has always been an abstract problematic concept. And it could be a big obstacle to reaching a trade agreement. The EU needs to know that a large economy on its doorstep that has free access to its economy is not undermining its market and rules. For the UK to get access to this market, there is of course something to pay. A trade-off. But if the UK has set it stall out that it can't follow any EU principles on competition or arbitration then we won't get access, and no deal on the 31st of December is quite possible.

Even the deal we are seeking is what would have been called a "hard brexit" 4 years ago. Funny old time. I think Boris will concede some ground to get it over the line. He doesn't want to be associated with thousands of lost car and food jobs (which is the inevitable outcome of no deal). Fish is symbolic. We have too much and its more important we can sell the fish to Europe, so that's an easy one to cede. We'll still have more fish than before. It just comes down to this sovereignty thing and if we can accept we will have to follow some EU rules to have access to their market.

What a chronic waste of time!
 
SpurMeUp said:
Do you think Boris' trip to Brussels will be about him sealing a trade deal (conceding on a number of things to get the deal), or him coming back saying, see I tried my best?

"Sovereignty" has always been an abstract problematic concept. And it could be a big obstacle to reaching a trade agreement. The EU needs to know that a large economy on its doorstep that has free access to its economy is not undermining its market and rules. For the UK to get access to this market, there is of course something to pay. A trade-off. But if the UK has set it stall out that it can't follow any EU principles on competition or arbitration then we won't get access, and no deal on the 31st of December is quite possible.

Even the deal we are seeking is what would have been called a "hard brexit" 4 years ago. Funny old time. I think Boris will concede some ground to get it over the line. He doesn't want to be associated with thousands of lost car and food jobs (which is the inevitable outcome of no deal). Fish is symbolic. We have too much and its more important we can sell the fish to Europe, so that's an easy one to cede. We'll still have more fish than before. It just comes down to this sovereignty thing and if we can accept we will have to follow some EU rules to have access to their market.

What a chronic waste of time!
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I think there is a good chance he’s done a runner and we won’t see him again.
 
These Tories are so arrogant that they don't even care about the politics of their poor behaviour. Hanrooster refused to answer and he could not give a fudge, because he knows the macaron element will continue to vote Tory, as they always do.
 
We’ll all be Tesco people when the Waitrose and M&S deliveries spend 3 weeks getting across the channel.

I’m increasingly worried about my capocollo supply. I’ll be eating prosciutto soon, like an animal.
 
Baleforce said:
We’ll all be Tesco people when the Waitrose and M&S deliveries spend 3 weeks getting across the channel.

I’m increasingly worried about my capocollo supply. I’ll be eating prosciutto soon, like an animal.
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Fcuk off am I shopping a tesco.

I actually quite often pop into CO-OP dont know why but I find the store has a charm. We actually shop at a garden centre near us which sources pretty much everything locally.
 
Baleforce said:
We’ll all be Tesco people when the Waitrose and M&S deliveries spend 3 weeks getting across the channel.

I’m increasingly worried about my capocollo supply. I’ll be eating prosciutto soon, like an animal.
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My Goodwood and Knepp Castle meat supplies won't be stopping for Brexit;)
 
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