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Mauricio Pochettino - Sacked

StephenH said:
I'm bloody annoyed that our young lads were obviously not prepared for the Juventus shenanigans the other night.
He's now saying http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...nham-imitate-Juventus-treatment-referees.html

Bit late now Poch!
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He is right that it is small details that make the difference, but I'm not sure that pressure on the ref was an overriding factor in this loss. As mentioned we got away with a nailed on penalty for one, and sure the ref missed a lot of off-the-ball stuff (which I guess they'll get done for on video evidence). Did that decide the match? A factor maybe but not the main one IMO.
I would call the ref up on the shirt pulling and manhandling. That was in full view during every set play and he just ignored it. But as I say that wasn't why we lost IMO. We lost because we were profligate in front of goal.


Edit: I just read some of the comments to that article. Good grief o_O
 
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Bedfordspurs said:
But games we win in aren’t the problem to make us better are they?

That was a selection of games but in the basis of widely recognised when the pressure kicks in we can crumble I thought they were a fair reflection

It’s possible to look at every game we have lost to see trends im sure

We’re flung amazingly well under Poch and he is the best manager we have had in my lifetime. To move to the next level we have to look at what didn’t work in games that mattered surely???
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Of course but i dont think you can look at five or six games over 4 years and pinpoint a common theme from them - especially when that theme (big games in this case) covers games in which we have done well too.
 
billyiddo said:
Of course but i dont think you can look at five or six games over 4 years and pinpoint a common theme from them - especially when that theme (big games in this case) covers games in which we have done well too.
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The agents we do well in we may still have flaws so you would want to perfect them

The games we lose in (and typically in then we’re dominant) you have to address why we’re losing

A common theme may be the lack of or the Karen as of the subs (could also argue sqaud depth at some point)

I’ve only seen us outplayed a few teams over the last few seasons. Monaco away last year and pool away (we were awful against pool)

City away this year but I still think we had pieces missing and will be much better at home

That’s about it

The games I mentioned earlier we were IMO the better side but didn’t get the result
 
Rorschach said:
He is right that it is small details that make the difference, but I'm not sure that pressure on the ref was an overriding factor in this loss. As mentioned we got away with a nailed on penalty for one, and sure the ref missed a lot of off-the-ball stuff (which I guess they'll get done for on video evidence). Did that decide the match? A factor maybe but not the main one IMO.
I would call the ref up on the shirt pulling and manhandling. That was in full view during every set play and he just ignored it. But as I say that wasn't why we lost IMO. We lost because we were profligate in front of goal.


Edit: I just read some of the comments to that article. Good grief o_O
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nayimfromthehalfwayline said:
Things I would criticise?

- I think we do have a lack of cutting edge/ruthlessness/chance conversion. We need to learn to get goals when in the ascendancy. We cant control games 400%, but we do control a high portion of matches without enough reward. Utd made several titles on the back of a couple of quick fire goals killing a game. Id like more of that.

- I think our movement becomes very predictable in attacking areas, and that we dont make enough runs past the attacker/through the lines to cause problems. We seem to shuffle the team around looking for a quick 1-2 opening - Id rather be a bit more direct/forceful at times.

- I do think Pochs subs could be done earlier. He seems very hesitant to change, and while I respect he has faith in the team I think there are many times when a more aggressive move, earlier, would be productive, and he just doesnt seem to do it.

- We can be slow starters in games. While we are very strong finishers (and if forced to choose, I choose to finish strong) we have many games where we just dont get going until the second half. Again, with the Utd example, they had so many games won at half time.

These are, I think, reasonable criticisms. Im sure there are many that would disagree - but as they are presented I am also sure there will be more engagement/debate than if I just bleated on about vague notions of us not being good enough in some trivial or abstract measure.
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And that is exactly what I have been saying for some time. That is not to decry the brilliant job Poch has undoubtedly done, but to point up areas where improvement can be made.
 
I think today was a good example against the argument that Poch never makes changes. The move to more of a 4-3-3 shape with Eriksen coming deeper helped us take control of the game. He often does this, but people seem to think subs are the be all and end all.
 
BrainOfLevy said:
I think today was a good example against the argument that Poch never makes changes. The move to more of a 4-3-3 shape with Eriksen coming deeper helped us take control of the game. He often does this, but people seem to think subs are the be all and end all.
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I don't think the argument is that he never makes changes, but that he often leaves them (too) late. Today he was forced to make them.
 
Jordinho said:
I don't think the argument is that he never makes changes, but that he often leaves them (too) late. Today he was forced to make them.
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Nah, my point was that he quite regularly makes this formation changes early on in games, and they quite often contribute to us taking back control when one formation isn’t working.
 
The Portugeezer said:
I have no idea, but Bedfordspurs is spot on. Granted Juve tonight showed us why they have reached 2 of last 3 finals of the CL. They have the experience and the manager has the nous to turn the game around. We had the match in the bag in the first half, but Poch showed his shortcomings again today. He's young, he will learn, but he lacks the mental toughness and the tactical nous to the see game out in the big occasions. One too many for me and that's why I am not convinced he will bring honours to this club.
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A bit late to respond to this, but what exact shortcomings did Poch show? Just out of curiosity.
 
BrainOfLevy said:
Nah, my point was that he quite regularly makes this formation changes early on in games, and they quite often contribute to us taking back control when one formation isn’t working.
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I'd agree with this, I think he makes changes later on more to keep tempo up - he seems to rather make formation changes and trust his 11 on the pitch, unless a sending off or injury forces his hand
 
I love Poch, I love what he made from us. But again he was so naive in juve match. He is learning and I can accept that, but he has to know what he did wrong. I don't like when his philosophy faces the reality. all the things about play your game whoever the opponent and that the player has to dig his way to starting 11 and subs. These are good principles but you have to make exceptions some time and be pragmatic.
 
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