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Victimpool FC - Klopp leaving, grown men crying

Grays_1890 said:
The aisles, stairs and concourses were full so there were clearly more fans in the ground than tickets...so again maybe the actions of the organisers reflected the fact too many ticketless turned up?
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Possibly. There is plenty of film and first hand accounts of local kids trying to storm the stadium
 
Yiddo said:
So what you are saying is Liverpool fans got attacked by the police for no apparent reason?
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The problems started long before that. They were being forced through a bottleneck and it was taking hours to get to the stadium. When they got there, there were insufficient gates open to deal with the numbers. Fans were shut out when people tried to jump the fence and force their way in. The police then tear gassed people who had no way of getting away. It was a policing disaster.

I do think that we need to think about how we police these big events after the issues at the Euros final last summer.
 
milo said:
The problems started long before that. They were being forced through a bottleneck and it was taking hours to get to the stadium. When they got there, there were insufficient gates open to deal with the numbers. Fans were shut out when people tried to jump the fence and force their way in. The police then tear gassed people who had no way of getting away. It was a policing disaster.

I do think that we need to think about how we police these big events after the issues at the Euros final last summer.
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The Euros was the same thing a mixture of fans breaking in and bad organisation, I was there for it.

Fans have to take accountability for this in my opinion, we can't just keep saying it's all on the authorities, it's like blaming ticket inspectors for train capacity because people decide to jump the trains without paying...
 
Wouldn’t blame Mane for leaving. There’s been constant updates about Salah’s contract the last couple of years and I honestly can’t remember one thing said about his until very recently. And they both end next summer. Seems very strange. Salah’s only about 5-10% better than him in my book and has finished the season much less strongly.
 
Grays_1890 said:
The Euros was the same thing a mixture of fans breaking in and bad organisation, I was there for it.

Fans have to take accountability for this in my opinion, we can't just keep saying it's all on the authorities, it's like blaming ticket inspectors for train capacity because people decide to jump the trains without paying...
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Certainly, anyone jumping the fence or storming the games needs to be held accountable. I haven't seen any evidence that this was Liverpool fans last night.

I think that as football fans, we need to be very wary of the authorities trying to blame policing failures on the fans. We have been here before in the 80's. Too many fans accept it because of rivalries with other clubs or prejudice but it could easily be us next time.
 
milo said:
Certainly, anyone jumping the fence or storming the games needs to be held accountable. I haven't seen any evidence that this was Liverpool fans last night.

I think that as football fans, we need to be very wary of the authorities trying to blame policing failures on the fans. We have been here before in the 80's. Too many fans accept it because of rivalries with other clubs or prejudice but it could easily be us next time.
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It almost was us at Hillsborough the season before the disaster according to friends who were there.
 
milo said:
Certainly, anyone jumping the fence or storming the games needs to be held accountable. I haven't seen any evidence that this was Liverpool fans last night.

I think that as football fans, we need to be very wary of the authorities trying to blame policing failures on the fans. We have been here before in the 80's. Too many fans accept it because of rivalries with other clubs or prejudice but it could easily be us next time.
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There was quite a bit of footage shown on Spanish tv of Liverpool fans climbing fences to try and get in.
 
Gazza Dazzla said:
There was quite a bit of footage shown on Spanish tv of Liverpool fans climbing fences to try and get in.
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I have seen film of people climbing the fence. I haven't seen any of someone who could clearly be identified as a Liverpool fan. I am not saying that it didn't happen but the first hand accounts that I have read have said that it was mainly locals trying to get in without a ticket.
 
milo said:
I can help you there. The architecture and policing was not the same all around the stadium.

I wish that people would take a little while to find out what actually happened rather than displaying their stunning ignorance and prejudice.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1530830463270518785

https://twitter.com/x/status/1530849737557131269

All football fans should recognise that bad policing and stewarding is potentially fatally dangerous and that it could be us next time, as it has in the past.
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Fans turn up with fake tickets, officials have to filter them.

Officials smartly realise this club has plenty of history of rushing turnstiles and bringing tens of thousands too many fans. So they can't let them get to the gate in huge numbers, only sensible thing is to stem the flow further up.
 
milo said:
The problems started long before that. They were being forced through a bottleneck and it was taking hours to get to the stadium. When they got there, there were insufficient gates open to deal with the numbers. Fans were shut out when people tried to jump the fence and force their way in. The police then tear gassed people who had no way of getting away. It was a policing disaster.

I do think that we need to think about how we police these big events after the issues at the Euros final last summer.
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How many other major events get held at the Stade de France? How many of them have these problems?

Do you think the French police just decided to make victims out of the scousers?
 
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