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Harry Winks

The thing is they are irreversibly damaged by it. Not so much in a city where the vast support is for one club (Saudi Sportswashing Machine). But kids growing up in sheffield are likely to start supporting a utd, or liverpool or city. Not all but enough. Being a kid supporting a team that loses a lot is hard. Especially if their rivals are doing better.
That doesn't happen. I've not met one local in Sheffield who doesn't support Wednesday or united. There are obviously students and immigrants from other parts of the uk who support other teams.

I would say it's more areas that don't have a big local team e.g Kent or north Sussex, where you find 'floating voters'
 
That doesn't happen. I've not met one local in Sheffield who doesn't support Wednesday or united. There are obviously students and immigrants from other parts of the uk who support other teams.

I would say it's more areas that don't have a big local team e.g Kent or north Sussex, where you find 'floating voters'

So there are no utd fans outside manchester who's dads didn't support a different team? Or liverpool? There are plenty of kids around the country that if their local team is pants will support a different club.
 
Good luck to him - Spurs lad through and through, and deserves a decent sendoff.

In the end, his career from here on in depends on if he can avoid being the disappointment that he was for most of his time here, and that in turn depends on if his future teams can play him in a role that suits him instead of jamming him into defensive midfield as we did.

His early promise as a central midfielder blinded everyone about *why* he was successful in that role to begin with. He was never particularly quick, strong or physically dominant - like with most of our midfield production line, from Tom Carroll to Alex Pritchard to him to Skippy, he was a tidy, technically competent midfielder with an edge. But in the PL, you need dominant midfielders to survive - or you either need a) midfielders of unparalleled football intelligence to overcome their physical limitations, like Modric, or b) a system that minimises the physical demands on central midfielders to be all aspect enforcers, pressers dribblers, etc.

Under Poch, we played the latter. We pressed really high up, so our first defensive line was Kane, Son, Dele and Eriksen, and if the ball got past them into midfield, Verts or Toby would step up to challenge high. At worst, Sissoko would clean up the mess.

In this role, Winks' qualities as a technical distributor were sufficient to keep him in the side despite his limitations. But when we stopped pressing, when we dropped deep, when we needed him to be a more 'classic' central midfielder screening the back line alongside Hojbjerg and winning the ball back to spring counters, he failed miserably as all his physical limitations were exposed - slow, weak, hesitant.

Somewhere in there is a great Jorginho-style midfield metronome, or a surprisingly good 10. Just, don't ask him to do anything physically demanding in midfield.

Adios, Winksy. Thanks for the memories.

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Think he'll do extremely well there. He's leagues ahead of Abrahams and Smalling in terms of quality, and they both do very well there. The tempo and focus on technique will suit him

Bit of a shame though that of our 6 leavers, bergwijn is the only one we've been able to get any money for (and regulion tbc)
 
Good luck to him - Spurs lad through and through, and deserves a decent sendoff.

In the end, his career from here on in depends on if he can avoid being the disappointment that he was for most of his time here, and that in turn depends on if his future teams can play him in a role that suits him instead of jamming him into defensive midfield as we did.

His early promise as a central midfielder blinded everyone about *why* he was successful in that role to begin with. He was never particularly quick, strong or physically dominant - like with most of our midfield production line, from Tom Carroll to Alex Pritchard to him to Skippy, he was a tidy, technically competent midfielder with an edge. But in the PL, you need dominant midfielders to survive - or you either need a) midfielders of unparalleled football intelligence to overcome their physical limitations, like Modric, or b) a system that minimises the physical demands on central midfielders to be all aspect enforcers, pressers dribblers, etc.

Under Poch, we played the latter. We pressed really high up, so our first defensive line was Kane, Son, Dele and Eriksen, and if the ball got past them into midfield, Verts or Toby would step up to challenge high. At worst, Sissoko would clean up the mess.

In this role, Winks' qualities as a technical distributor were sufficient to keep him in the side despite his limitations. But when we stopped pressing, when we dropped deep, when we needed him to be a more 'classic' central midfielder screening the back line alongside Hojbjerg and winning the ball back to spring counters, he failed miserably as all his physical limitations were exposed - slow, weak, hesitant.

Somewhere in there is a great Jorginho-style midfield metronome, or a surprisingly good 10. Just, don't ask him to do anything physically demanding in midfield.

Adios, Winksy. Thanks for the memories.

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That photo :(
It was such an incredibly happy moment. Now it feels so sad.
 
A chance to play home games in the iconic Luigi Ferraris Stadium.

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Good luck to him - Spurs lad through and through, and deserves a decent sendoff.

In the end, his career from here on in depends on if he can avoid being the disappointment that he was for most of his time here, and that in turn depends on if his future teams can play him in a role that suits him instead of jamming him into defensive midfield as we did.

His early promise as a central midfielder blinded everyone about *why* he was successful in that role to begin with. He was never particularly quick, strong or physically dominant - like with most of our midfield production line, from Tom Carroll to Alex Pritchard to him to Skippy, he was a tidy, technically competent midfielder with an edge. But in the PL, you need dominant midfielders to survive - or you either need a) midfielders of unparalleled football intelligence to overcome their physical limitations, like Modric, or b) a system that minimises the physical demands on central midfielders to be all aspect enforcers, pressers dribblers, etc.

Under Poch, we played the latter. We pressed really high up, so our first defensive line was Kane, Son, Dele and Eriksen, and if the ball got past them into midfield, Verts or Toby would step up to challenge high. At worst, Sissoko would clean up the mess.

In this role, Winks' qualities as a technical distributor were sufficient to keep him in the side despite his limitations. But when we stopped pressing, when we dropped deep, when we needed him to be a more 'classic' central midfielder screening the back line alongside Hojbjerg and winning the ball back to spring counters, he failed miserably as all his physical limitations were exposed - slow, weak, hesitant.

Somewhere in there is a great Jorginho-style midfield metronome, or a surprisingly good 10. Just, don't ask him to do anything physically demanding in midfield.

Adios, Winksy. Thanks for the memories.

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He's not even a good passer. He can never be anything other than mediocre. Yes in Poch's system he looked ok because we didn't really ask him to do anything much. Outside of such a system he fails in all areas as he 0 outstanding attributes and you need at least one area of outstanding quality to be a good CM.

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He's not even a good passer. He can never be anything other than mediocre. Yes in Poch's system he looked ok because we didn't really ask him to do anything much. Outside of such a system he fails in all areas as he 0 outstanding attributes and you need at least one area of outstanding quality to be a good CM.

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The stats say he is a good passer especially progressive passes.

https://fbref.com/en/players/2f7acede/scout/365_euro/Harry-Winks-Scouting-Report
 
I blame Poch for ruining half the team trying to change his formation and tactics, Dele and Winks got made to look good in that system and for some reason he then went and started tinkering.
 
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