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Victor Wanyama

SpurMeUp said:
Wanyama's played a lot of football, I wouldn't mind Dier in his place with Dembele and Wimmer in the back 3 against the Swans. Hope it is alright, we need players back for the run in. Winks looks like he's out for a while. Was increasingly Poch's go to guy to keep ball in the middle, ideal as a sub.
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I agree, against Swansea let's give the big man a rest. No Winks isn't ideal but Wanyama has played constantly this season. Lucky Kenya don't play as much football as most international teams!
 
Bullet said:
Looked to me like Vertonghen called for it, so Wanyama stayed on the deck to let Vertonghen head it. Meanwhile Barnes came flying in to (fairly) challenge Vertonghen, and his (usual, protective) knee went into Wanyama's back. I know from experience that can be astonishingly painful. Am still surprised he didn't just play through the pain, I thought he was made of Iroko (African hard wood).
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flying in challenge with knee raised is really very dangerous and should be outlawed.
while the intent is self-protection, it can cause some real damage.
its absolutely unecessary.
 
awesome dawson said:
I agree, against Swansea let's give the big man a rest. No Winks isn't ideal but Wanyama has played constantly this season. Lucky Kenya don't play as much football as most international teams!
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I'm amazed he hasn't single handed won the ACAF for them in full beast mode

All the other players must be awful by comparison
 
Bedfordspurs said:
I'm amazed he hasn't single handed won the ACAF for them in full beast mode

All the other players must be awful by comparison
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On African soil, Wanyama and Yaya Toure are weaklings. Zambia's midfield ran rings around Toure, Drogba, Zokora et al in 2012. The physical advantage that they have in club soccer counts for nothing. Watch how Mane was turned into a toothless dog in the Nations Cup. Iwobi is also a weakling.
 
afsoc4life said:
On African soil, Wanyama and Yaya Toure are weaklings. Zambia's midfield ran rings around Toure, Drogba, Zokora et al in 2012. The physical advantage that they have in club soccer counts for nothing. Watch how Mane was turned into a toothless dog in the Nations Cup. Iwobi is also a weakling.
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Why can't those players perform on a bigger stage though like Toure and Victor
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Why can't those players perform on a bigger stage though like Toure and Victor
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Do they receive the chance to? Most African CMs are cast as physical dominating midfielders. The likes of Okocha et al are not so desired in Europe. You have CMs like Bentaleb and Ndidi for Leicester has a chance but then he is a member of the same set as Ihenacho, Musa Yahaya etc
 
afsoc4life said:
On African soil, Wanyama and Yaya Toure are weaklings. Zambia's midfield ran rings around Toure, Drogba, Zokora et al in 2012. The physical advantage that they have in club soccer counts for nothing. Watch how Mane was turned into a toothless dog in the Nations Cup. Iwobi is also a weakling.
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Good lord, this is rubbish :)
 
Gazza said:
Only the lucky ones make it :rolleyes:
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actually that could be true, many of the players that are talented get lost in corruption and distractions like you wouldnt believe

I just dont agree with the idea that toure / drogba et al are weaklings. their physical traits dont have as much significance back on the home continent as they do in the 1st world but it it has enough over a vast majority of the local players..plus its not like you get people of their physical prowess that can actually play with good technique and intelligence every day
 
Hope he's recovered enough to play against Swansea - our consistency this season is typified by Wanyama's presence. Would be a major boost to any opposition not to see his name on the team sheet.
 
africanspurs said:
actually that could be true, many of the players that are talented get lost in corruption and distractions like you wouldnt believe

I just dont agree with the idea that toure / drogba et al are weaklings. their physical traits dont have as much significance back on the home continent as they do in the 1st world but it it has enough over a vast majority of the local players..plus its not like you get people of their physical prowess that can actually play with good technique and intelligence every day
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Watch the last few editions of the Nations Cup. It is astonishing how often those players were easily tackled, shackled and muscled off the ball. One player (in recent times i.e. since 2010) that I know was able to shake off challenges both in EPL and the ANC is Mikel Obi.
 
Gazza said:
But obi is no better than sissoko
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I really beg to disagree. Mikel Obi is a far more dangerous and cerebral player than Sissoko. He has won far more titles at club and international level and played a key part as well. He is someone who I can argue that moving to Chelsea destroyed him for Nigeria. He was supposed to be the heir to Okocha wrt playmaking duties. Chelsea turned him into a DM from a 2 way midfielder. For Nigeria, he plays all three roles in central midfield. He has similar levels of ball control to Moussa Dembele.
 
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I really beg to disagree. Mikel Obi is a far more dangerous and cerebral player than Sissoko. He has won far more titles at club and international level and played a key part as well. He is someone who I can argue that moving to Chelsea destroyed him for Nigeria. He was supposed to be the heir to Okocha wrt playmaking duties. Chelsea turned him into a DM from a 2 way midfielder. For Nigeria, he plays all three roles in central midfield. He has similar levels of ball control to Moussa Dembele.
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Wow...Mikel for me is an awful player and to even put him in Dembeles league so sacrilege

Yes he won trophies but mainly as a squad player and a peripheral figure.

I honestly can't comment on his style before signing for Chelsea but seeing him at them he looked like a basic footballer there for his athletic ability - kinda like a less busy zokora

Quick look at his stats and he played 22 times a season for Chelsea on average but I can't see how many were starts. He did get to play with essien and makalele who were truly world class players
 
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afsoc4life said:
I really beg to disagree. Mikel Obi is a far more dangerous and cerebral player than Sissoko. He has won far more titles at club and international level and played a key part as well. He is someone who I can argue that moving to Chelsea destroyed him for Nigeria. He was supposed to be the heir to Okocha wrt playmaking duties. Chelsea turned him into a DM from a 2 way midfielder. For Nigeria, he plays all three roles in central midfield. He has similar levels of ball control to Moussa Dembele.
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Brilliant ... so when playing for Chelsea he showed glimpses of this awesome player? Not even! Perhaps the AFCON don't have the same standard of football as the premier league and so looks brilliant amongst lesser opposition.

I don't doubt Africa produces some real gems but Obi is far from any conversation when talking about Abidi, Weah, okocha, Hassan, miller, Etoo, drogba, essien, naybet, nayim etc not to even mention players that chose to play for France.
 
I saw Niang score a cracker for Watford last night. On loan from AC Milan. I remember we were linked with him but don't know much about him?
 
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