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Transfer Window Thread

DubaiSpur said:
I posted a series of numbers earlier about what their owners have spent (net) on Liverpool since taking over. Total came to about 300m, iirc, by way of covering (often large) losses, share issues, paying down existing debts and providing interest free loans.

They haven't had a stadium to build (even though they have had a stadium expansion to fund). But that hasn't stopped them backing the teams they've had and the managers they've had - going above and beyond the club's own finances to do so.

As I've often mentioned, our lot just use the money the club generates in a semi-competent fashion. They aren't comparable, imo.
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A lot of the spending (net) you talk about seems like the cost of taking over the club rather than an investment in the playing squad.

What has their net transfer spend per season been under Klopp?
 
braineclipse said:
A lot of the spending (net) you talk about seems like the cost of taking over the club rather than an investment in the playing squad.

What has their net transfer spend per season been under Klopp?
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The relevant information would be the turnover of the club as a whole and whether they are running at a loss to fund the team building in the market - quick google suggests they have turned a profit in the past couple of years (of available financial info)
 
nayimfromthehalfwayline said:
The Sun


BARGAINING TOOL
Josh Maja to Celtic – Hoops could sign striker this month if he is loaned back to Sunderland


The Hoops are interested in the 20-year-old Black Cats ace who is out of contract in the summer


SUNDERLAND are ready to sell Celtic target Josh Maja - if they can get him back on loan.

The Hoops are showing an interest in the 20-year-old London-born striker who has knocked back an offer of £6,000-per-week by the cash-strapped Wearsiders.

Maja, who scored his 16th goal of the season in his team’s 1-1 draw at Sclamhorpe at the weekend, can quit Jack Ross’ Championship side for nothing at the end of the season.

That has alerted Brendan Rodgers who could snap up the hot prospect in the sort of deal that attracted Moussa Dembele to Parkhead from Fulham in the summer of 2016.

However, the Black Cats are keen to do business within the next 10 days and accept a fee for the player with a season-long lease-back clause included in the contract.

However, if Maja runs down his deal, that would allow the Scottish champions to land him for around £500,000 in a cross-border development fee, a similar figure that bought Dembele in a move to the Hoops before his £19.8million August switch to Lyon.

West Ham are watching developments with Bundesliga outfits Stuttgart, Cologne and Wolfsburg also linked with the attacker.

Maja had a starring role in Sunderland's hit Netflix documentary where his debut goal against Fulham was caught on camera.
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I actually wouldn’t mind us bringing this guy in. He would almost be a no lose gamble.
 
DubaiSpur said:
Yes, and yes.

What is the point in having miserly owners who never actually do anything other than administrate?

English football sold its soul to rich owners right from the start - whereas clubs on the continent have maintained an invaluable link between the fans and their clubs via fan ownership, English clubs have always been wholly owned by rich folks. The tradeoff that English fans presumably went for was that those rich owners would invest in their teams, to bring them success.

We are now, however, happily in a situation where we neither have owners willing to invest, nor any actual fan ownership to compensate for that utter lack of support. It's the worst of both worlds, and the fact that ENIC are roughly competent only partly assuages this issue - it doesn't change it.

My ideal, as always, would be fan ownership. I would happily pay the cost of a season ticket, even if I were never able to actually go to games, being in Canada - because I would be a part-owner of the club that I love. And I would not care one bit if we never spent anything in that scenario, because we would have something special to treasure that outweighed all of it.

But, failing that, I'd rather just get someone that is willing to help the team get across the line. This virtue-signalling of being sustainable is pointless in a world where *any* club can be made sustainable with one sponsorship from a state-owned company, or one round of commercial deals after a title win.
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Just read this... what continental clubs are fan owned?

In Germany there are some but don’t forget 4 of the top 10 currently aren’t (RB, Wolfburg, Bayer and Hoffenheim). Not aware of any in Italy or France and I whilst Barca are run by members their investment now will be more and more by corporates
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Just read this... what continental clubs are fan owned?

In Germany there are some but don’t forget 4 of the top 10 currently aren’t (RB, Wolfburg, Bayer and Hoffenheim). Not aware of any in Italy or France and I whilst Barca are run by members their investment now will be more and more by corporates
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Germany has the 50+1 rule, which holds that *all* clubs that enter the Bundesliga be fan-owned - the only exceptions are the clubs you mentioned (for historical reasons) and RB, which basically cheated the rule and dared the Bundesliga to try stopping it. The vast majority of German clubs are majority fan-owned.

In Spain, Barca aren't the only fan-owned club - Real, Bilbao, Osasuna, Deportivo and Eibar are too, as are 99% of teams below the Spanish third tier.

In France, there's Guingamp in Ligue 1. In Italy, there's Modena. In Scotland, half the top-flight clubs have some level of fan ownership - in Ireland, nearly every FAI team (iirc) is fan-owned. Rapid Wien, Sturm Graz and multiple others in Austria are fan-owned.

The continent is far more comfortable with fan-ownership than England has historically been - hell, even Scotland and Ireland are. It's my ideal for Spurs - one day, we actually own our club.

As for investment, that doesn't need to come solely from the fans - fan-owned clubs sign commercial deals too, y'know. And in cases like Real, they also elect presidents who promise to spend their own cash on the club. :p
 
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