What do you mean? A strawman is someone who rejects their citizenship on the basis they couldn't at birth accept their name and thus don't have to pay taxes.
How does that associate with this?
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Tottenham Hotspur 2025 Europa League Winners !!!!!!!
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How does that associate with this?
Bullet
Chris Jones
A straw man fallacy (sometimes written as strawman) is the informal fallacy of refuting an argument different from the one actually under discussion, while not recognizing or acknowledging the distinction.[1] One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man".
The typical straw man argument creates the illusion of having refuted or defeated an opponent's proposition through the covert replacement of it with a different proposition (i.e., "stand up a straw man") and the subsequent refutation of that false argument ("knock down a straw man"), instead of the opponent's proposition.[2][3] Straw man arguments have been used throughout history in polemical debate, particularly regarding highly charged emotional subjects.[4]
The typical straw man argument creates the illusion of having refuted or defeated an opponent's proposition through the covert replacement of it with a different proposition (i.e., "stand up a straw man") and the subsequent refutation of that false argument ("knock down a straw man"), instead of the opponent's proposition.[2][3] Straw man arguments have been used throughout history in polemical debate, particularly regarding highly charged emotional subjects.[4]
Oh it doesn't take a bookmaker or genius to work out why our odds fell. It's because we got worse over the season. Playing crap.
To the extent even the worse utd team in living memory were favoured above us.
glasgowspur
Chris Jones
Our odds fell because people were backing utd.
Bookies were laying off their losses, that's how it works.
People may have been putting money on utd because of maddison and kulu being out or maybe they fell for the media narrative of utd always win the big games, or my favourite "Bruno and maguire will win it for utd".
So why did a bigger proportion bet on utd closer to the final than at the beginning of the season?
Don't say because they have more fans. They did at the beginning of the season aswell.
Simple fact is as the season went on people were more confident of utd winning it than spurs.
Bedfordspurs
Joe Kinnear
Shows how well punters do when gambling
Baleforce
Mark Falco
I think the bigger shift can be summed up as, “lads, it’s Tottenham”
I don’t believe there was a single human being on the planet at kick off, who honestly thought we would win
Because like many Spurs fans, they were less confident they would win the final knowing our whole creative midfield of Bergvall, Maddison and Kulu were all out of action. Oh and not to mention Man U had just easily cast aside Bilbao in their semi.
Not that hard to understand really, we were in the same brick league form for most of the season - it didn't just suddenly turn brick between the semis and the final when the favourites for the cup changed....
hotspur1984
Hans Segers
Slightly off topic but some Bank Holiday Monday evening nostalgia! Brings back some childhood memories!
glasgowspur
Chris Jones
And they were wrong, I don't understand why you think that's a good argument.
A bunch of uninformed punters (who lost their bet BTW) should in no way be a measure of anything.
And it was only yesterday that our win was be devalued because we were favourites.
We won, accept it and move on.
Muttley
Mido
I didn't even look at the odds going into the game. What were they?
All I know is that there was no clear favourite in my mind.
I know if I were a Utd fan I'd probably be still asking myself how they didn't win the game. Without Johnson's goal I'd probably be describing the game as a losing draw and if a league game a point earned.
What goes around comes around though. It definitely felt right that we eventually won a trophy.
glasgowspur
Chris Jones
thfcsteff
Tony Galvin
This comment is not especially accurate or helpful if you're looking to 'improve' the quality and direction of discussion IMO.
It's absoloutely accurate, textbook examples in fact.
Whether or not it's for the betterment of discussion that I call it out i don't know.
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thfcsteff
Tony Galvin
I disagree.
There are two truths within those who don't wish Postecoglu to be the manager. People think he's a terrible manager based on his Premier League record, some people thought he was incapable of winning the Europa League, as it got closer/when we ended up
winning it, now there has been a general denigration of the tournament's quality. Those are concrete not straw. If that's the opinion someone has, fine. Calling it out is also fine.
I don't see anyone claiming it is the Champions League.
I do see a lot of Postecoglu's critics looking to lessen the achievement.
kb 1984
Danny Murphy
I thought we would win but I believe we will always win
thfcsteff
Tony Galvin
I saw that @billyiddo had deleted a post to which I replied. I think it is the right thing to do given this thread and I'm following suit! Appreciate the initiative mate, life is too short and we WON!!!!!!!
You live and learn ! Cheers for the info.
Mikey10
Chris Perry
As soon as we eased through the SF I was convinced we’d win it too, as I said on here a few times.