Grays_1890
Erik Thorstvedt
It probably won't event be the next manager that gets sacked within 18 months, its likely the one after that. Said with no irony or joke
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Thomas Frank - Head Coach
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It probably won't event be the next manager that gets sacked within 18 months, its likely the one after that. Said with no irony or joke
Bedfordspurs
Paul Gascoigne
It’s football
That happens
Grays_1890
Erik Thorstvedt
Its Spurs it happens more than anywhere and we get stuck in flux.
Bedfordspurs
Paul Gascoigne
Daisuk
Chris Jones
Yeah, what the hell is up with that!? He keeps persisting with pedestrian Bentancur, yet Gray has played well the very few times he has been given a chance this season. I just don't understand this blind faith in Bentancur. He's had a couple of decent games, but apart from those he's been a complete liability this season. It's very frustrating.
glasgowspur
Barry Daines
Joe Hart mentioned it on MotD, wish that Vicario had been as vociferous about that as he’s been with Bergvall this season as might’ve helped halt their momentum a smidgen if we’d avoided conceding that 2nd goal just before half time.
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Tottenham had more reason to feel aggrieved in their 4-1 loss at Arsenal on Sunday.
When Eberechi Eze scored the Gunners' second goal, Bukayo Saka, Martin Zubimendi and Leandro Trossard were all in an offside position in front of the Spurs goalkeeper, but the goal stood.
"I think this is preventing an opponent from being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the line of vision," Joe Hart said on Match of the Day. "As it leaves his foot, Trossard is in [Guglielmo] Vicario's line of vision. Offside in my opinion."
Look at the non foul in centre of the park with I think Palhinha and Merino, wasn't a foul, ref doesn't see it or give it, arsenal badger the and suddenly it's a foul.
Even though he clearly does not see it the ref overturned the decision purely on them appealing.
We accept way too much, Romero, our captain who is allowed to speak to the ref, got booked for complaining that Merino had dived three times, why do we never complain.
SissokoWasGood (BoL)
Paul Stalteri
if that’s the case then he’s doing something pretty drastically wrong, and maybe that would explain a lot.
Yeah, the guy who wanted Brennan Johnson and Gray at Brentford has now decided we have a worse team than Brentford.
Of course that's it, Frank is actually bang on to set us up the way we do - Can't expect to get any semblance of attacking moves going when you have players of Gray/Bergvall/Sarr/Xavi Simons/Kudus/Muani ilk. Punting it forward to a striker who everyone knows can't hold the ball up is definitely the way to go....
Of course that's it, Frank is actually bang on to set us up the way we do - Can't expect to get any semblance of attacking moves going when you have players of Gray/Bergvall/Sarr/Xavi Simons/Kudus/Muani ilk. Punting it forward to a striker who everyone knows can't hold the ball up is definitely the way to go....
Bedfordspurs
Paul Gascoigne
Yep
It’s the future
Bang it long to better players and fudge coaching them in any way
Robspur12
Pedro Mendes
Good lord mate. I agree the losses were awful. But Thomas Frank out no no no. Things are not that bad yet.
We all agree we need better players to really compete. But one of the apparent attractions on here for Frank was that he improves players. He needs to start doing that and it's not going to happen with this turgid style of football - we don't have the players for it, and it even makes our defenders look worse than they are.
No one is expecting miracles, would just be nice to actually watch us play some football and enjoy watching us again. It's not about yesterday so much, we've seen that story before - most of the season the football has been poor. Come on Frank, time to show why you wanted to make the step up....
Bedfordspurs
Paul Gascoigne
I agree
It really has Nuno vibes but we still should give him the season
I’d be fudging ecstatic to be wrong
Bedfordspurs
Paul Gascoigne
I’m not sure he improves playera
I do believe he has adapted to who he has available (in the past)
It’s why I don’t accept our attacking players are crap so he is playing a different way.. we’re literally not passing to them and that’s his set up
It’s new for him too dong forget, Europe too
thfcsteff
Teddy Sheringham
If you don't want to see my point, all good.
Line-up yesterday? Probably 4-2-3-1
Vic
Porro
Romero
VdV
Udogie
Palhinha
Bergvall
Kudus
Xavi
Tel
Muani
Or a 4-3-3 with midfield of Palhinha, Bergvall and Xavi, and Kudus/Muani/Tel
I'd have looked for a carrier - which we have a couple of - to progress the ball off the CBs, for our FBs to press/pressure high and wide up the pitch, and for quick passing 10-15ft higher up the pitch.
I reckon that was just an emotional post after losing to that lot. There hasn't really been any Frank out statements here otherwise, and there shouldn't be....
thfcsteff
Teddy Sheringham
I agree, football in general is in some sort of 'stodge' with regards to style. And I think we need to remember who we are as a club philosophically. Maybe the issue is fans like me. Maybe we are not who I believe we are philosophically as a club. If that is the case, don't tell me please, and let me continue believing we will once again find our true selves again as opposed to that pathetic effort yesterday and against Chelsea plus Bournemouth plus Wolves.
Bedfordspurs
Paul Gascoigne
You been listening to the VFTL pod because they were talking about this
One thing for me…. I keep on hearing about who he is missing, but who is he missing that he has already had to coach?
So if he is hanging his hat on the return of players to start playing some attacking structure in the new year he could at least have had a plan for half a seasons impact, surely….
He has played solanke I think in the league
But not Maddison or Kulu of course
It’s a huge risk and very short sighted as a viewpoint
thfcsteff
Teddy Sheringham
Hope I am wrong, but frankly (!!!) I just don't see it blossoming into anything much with Frank.
Nobody wants people sacked so quickly, and nobody wants change and churn all the time. But this bloke simply has to start standing behind his words.
He said, "If you don't take risk, you also take risk.If you don't risk the ball, you can't creater anything.' His words, not mine. But here's the thing; if you spend over half your time setting us up to have at least 6 -7 players behind the ball, then where's the attacking risk intent? When Xavi gets the ball and looks up to see one or two players 25 yards up the pitch, isolated, what's he meant to do? When Frank repeatedly plays two 6s as opposed to letting the expert do the sixy job and getting an extra progressive midfielder onto the pitch, where's the risk?
Someone earlier suggested that perhaps he doesn't think the likes of Bergvall, Gray or Sarr are better than who he is starting. I disagree wholeheartedly, because franklly, only a fudging idiot would look at those three and not see talent (the first two will be great players) and TF is not a fudging idiot.
In my eyes, Frank is a coach trying to find stability in conventional ways at an unconventional club. We are not Brentford. I know some think that's a snobby thing to say, fair enough, but we aren't. He is currently drifting between that rock and hard place. I think his ONLY course out is to chart a route which allows the players to express themselves more and impress themselves more on games as opposed to this reductive rubbish we've had to suffer in too many games this season. The main question for me has always been simple; can TF progress as a coach from his very decent platform? Right now, I am not seeing it. And if I'm honest, I don't think he is going to be more than he is. As I said, here's to me wearing some egg on the old visage in May, but the truth is I don't see that happening.
p.s. His use of our 17th place finish last season was very poor form and unlike him in all honesty. I think the pressure is real, and I don't like to see a decent man like that under so much of it.
Nobody wants people sacked so quickly, and nobody wants change and churn all the time. But this bloke simply has to start standing behind his words.
He said, "If you don't take risk, you also take risk.If you don't risk the ball, you can't creater anything.' His words, not mine. But here's the thing; if you spend over half your time setting us up to have at least 6 -7 players behind the ball, then where's the attacking risk intent? When Xavi gets the ball and looks up to see one or two players 25 yards up the pitch, isolated, what's he meant to do? When Frank repeatedly plays two 6s as opposed to letting the expert do the sixy job and getting an extra progressive midfielder onto the pitch, where's the risk?
Someone earlier suggested that perhaps he doesn't think the likes of Bergvall, Gray or Sarr are better than who he is starting. I disagree wholeheartedly, because franklly, only a fudging idiot would look at those three and not see talent (the first two will be great players) and TF is not a fudging idiot.
In my eyes, Frank is a coach trying to find stability in conventional ways at an unconventional club. We are not Brentford. I know some think that's a snobby thing to say, fair enough, but we aren't. He is currently drifting between that rock and hard place. I think his ONLY course out is to chart a route which allows the players to express themselves more and impress themselves more on games as opposed to this reductive rubbish we've had to suffer in too many games this season. The main question for me has always been simple; can TF progress as a coach from his very decent platform? Right now, I am not seeing it. And if I'm honest, I don't think he is going to be more than he is. As I said, here's to me wearing some egg on the old visage in May, but the truth is I don't see that happening.
p.s. His use of our 17th place finish last season was very poor form and unlike him in all honesty. I think the pressure is real, and I don't like to see a decent man like that under so much of it.
thfcsteff
Teddy Sheringham
No mate, I don't listen to other podcasts.
I do think that there are many supporters who would want this sort of approach.
Look, I even like the idea of 3-5-2 if it is used to get an extra creative onto the pitch and we send the wing-backs high. If caught on the hop, Palhinha slips into a four and VdV goes to LB cover with Romero RB cover. However I must accept that this manager, indeed many in the modren game, see 3-5-2 as 5 at the back.