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Thomas Frank - Head Coach

glorygloryeze said:
Well, the good news is that we straight away have a big away game.

Let's see if he and the players can give us something to be proud of.
It might be another loss, but if it's one that shows something to hang onto (like some good attacking play and link-ups between the likes of Xavi, Odobert and Muani - and some actual shots on goal!) then that will hopefully give us some hope..


Another meek loss with hardly a shot however....

Out of interest, who would start in our next two games vs PSG away and home vs Fulham?
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fudge knows
I’d be having a big conversation around who trusts the process
I think that will be telling
And I’d say we’re playing this way for the next 10 games no matter what
Convince them
Show them why it will work
And ding make excuses
Right now I don’t see any respect for him and he looks like he has lost some of the squad
I don’t want another change so anything he can do to keep himself afloat I’m all for
 
Bedfordspurs said:
fudge knows
I’d be having a big conversation around who trusts the process
I think that will be telling
And I’d say we’re playing this way for the next 10 games no matter what
Convince them
Show them why it will work
And ding make excuses
Right now I don’t see any respect for him and he looks like he has lost some of the squad
I don’t want another change so anything he can do to keep himself afloat I’m all for
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Why do you think he's lost some of the squad? The Spence and MVDV snub after the Chelsea game?
 
Bedfordspurs said:
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This is what happens when you don’t coach attacking play
You end up with custom and fear, just in case
And it’s not new
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That happened at the end of the first half too. We had a minute on the clock but rather than trying to be bold and use it to attack, we passed the ball backwards and sideways. We had one minute, yes, maybe we don’t score but we should be desperate to get the ball forward in that situation.
 
glorygloryeze said:
Is it True Thomas Frank said something in an interview to the effect of "who" when asked about Eze?
Hopefully that was just the media/press being crafty by chopping up answers and putting them together to make it look like Frank said that..

However, if Frank genuinely did say something to that effect...oh boy...
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Talk about tempting fate eh!!

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SteveAWOL said:
Talk about tempting fate eh!!

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You just know that will be included within a created video. A video that starts with that clip and then shows Eze’s hattrick. Opened himself up to that one sadly.
 
glorygloryeze said:
It's not looking good...and i think Frank has it worse than many of his predecessors because he has little breathing space: we have never had a new coach start a new season with us in the CL. I still maintain if he/we had EL there'd be more wriggle room to try youngsters, different formations etc and that might help ease some of the pressure in the long-run.

That said, Frank HAS to show some coaching acumen to build some varied attacking patterns: just hoofing it long to the likes of Richarlison is not good enough.

One thing i will say: if it turns out that Frank is out of his depth at our level of club (whatever you think that is/may be) i think it says a lot that we sacked a manager who won us a major European trophy (not that i had a problem with Ange being sacked, i think he HAD to go but with as much gratitude as possible for breaking our trophy drought) and then replaced him with the manager at a club of Brentford's level and you could say that is a massive jump, bigger then the jump from, say, Southampton. You would usually a replacement to at least be someone who is used to juggling multiple competitions, including a European one, maybe specifically someone with decent CL tournament experience actually....
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Your last point is a really interesting one. I happen to be one of the people that would have given Ange this season, but when you think about the fact that we sacked our European trophy winning manager, you’d have to expect that we’re doing that because we’re damn sure that the replacement is going to be a definite improvement, a seamless fit, and probably not someone that needs a season himself to find his feet at this level.

I like Frank. I can see what he is trying to do and I don’t think his intention is for it to look as bad as it does out there. Something is not clicking. That said, it is is his job to make it click, and it’s a fair question to ask A, whether he’s ready for this level, these egos, these expectations. And B, whether he has the force of personality to change the culture of a club our size, to really get the players to buy into his way, especially when many of that squad showed the two seasons before that they were happily behind a manager who created an entirely different culture.

It was about this time of the season that it started really clicking for Poch, and we’d shortly demolish Chelsea over the Christmas period. I think the potential difference is, Poch clearly had the force of personality, and he had a vision that his players would buy into. Frank is clearly highly regarded as a coach within the game, but I think it’s an open question as to whether he’s right for our club, our context, players, expectations etc.
 
El Dante said:
You just know that will be included within a created video. A video that starts with that clip and then shows Eze’s hattrick. Opened himself up to that one sadly.
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I feel for him here. It’s Frank being a nice guy in the press conferences, basically sharing a ‘dad joke’ and trying to bring humour to a situation that could have been seen as embarrassing for Spurs.

Footballers are weird though, and known to take absolute non-slights as excuses for motivation. So maybe that’s what Eze did here. I’d rather our manager feel comfortable being a nice guy and being willing to have a harmless joke though.
 
SissokoWasGood (BoL) said:
Your last point is a really interesting one. I happen to be one of the people that would have given Ange this season, but when you think about the fact that we sacked our European trophy winning manager, you’d have to expect that we’re doing that because we’re damn sure that the replacement is going to be a definite improvement, a seamless fit, and probably not someone that needs a season himself to find his feet at this level.

I like Frank. I can see what he is trying to do and I don’t think his intention is for it to look as bad as it does out there. Something is not clicking. That said, it is is his job to make it click, and it’s a fair question to ask A, whether he’s ready for this level, these egos, these expectations. And B, whether he has the force of personality to change the culture of a club our size, to really get the players to buy into his way, especially when many of that squad showed the two seasons before that they were happily behind a manager who created an entirely different culture.

It was about this time of the season that it started really clicking for Poch, and we’d shortly demolish Chelsea over the Christmas period. I think the potential difference is, Poch clearly had the force of personality, and he had a vision that his players would buy into. Frank is clearly highly regarded as a coach within the game, but I think it’s an open question as to whether he’s right for our club, our context, players, expectations etc.
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Yes, fair questions.

The difference again is that Frank is taking over a club who are in the CL whilst Poch was taking over club in the EL: Frank has less wriggle room so yeah the question of gravitas to handle the elevated pressure comes into it.
Poch also had a striker who was starting to be the envy of the league...Frank doesn't have that and goals change games (and can cover up a multitude of since to give that often crucial breathing space to sort out other issues on the pitch).

If it turns out that Frank hasn't the gravitas to handle our current situation then we have to look more at the club and how over a decade or more they have squandered our good positions to push on.
When you have won a trophy that got you the golden ticket to get into the CL, do you hire a Frank if you have more prestigious options? I don't think so and i think over the last decade the hierarchy's actions has meant our standing amongst the best coaches has plummeted.

Hopefully Frank can turn things around enough to make this an academic thought. Imagine, if we;d held one a minute longer vs PSG in August, eh? Sigh...
 
El Dante said:
That happened at the end of the first half too. We had a minute on the clock but rather than trying to be bold and use it to attack, we passed the ball backwards and sideways. We had one minute, yes, maybe we don’t score but we should be desperate to get the ball forward in that situation.
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I’m beyond words for how people are watching this and other games and seeing a semblance of progress
 
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