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The Overlap - some interesting comments from Ange

billyiddo said:
Why would there have been less injuries? Despite a less rigorous style of play this season we have continued to pick them up at an alarming rate - chuck in the additional sprints his style demanded and I'd expect we'd be at the same level.

The thought of navigating 2 games a week from the outset without the benefit of being able to fully rotate during the group stages of Europe gives me a cold sweat - we'd have been cooked by Christmas
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We would have fewer injuries because @SissokoWasGood (BoL) simply believes we would even despite a good portion of the starting 11 already being long term injured going into this season. There's no reasoning behind it, just belief.
 
billyiddo said:
Why would there have been less injuries? Despite a less rigorous style of play this season we have continued to pick them up at an alarming rate - chuck in the additional sprints his style demanded and I'd expect we'd be at the same level.

The thought of navigating 2 games a week from the outset without the benefit of being able to fully rotate during the group stages of Europe gives me a cold sweat - we'd have been cooked by Christmas
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I don’t know for sure. But I think there’s a fair argument that given we have played a less intense style this season and still gotten crazy injuries, maybe it wasn’t all Ange to begin with? Or that maybe part of the issue is in radially shifting from one coaching style and playing system to another, so the players bodies have to get used to something completely different again?
 
Bishop said:
We would have fewer injuries because @SissokoWasGood (BoL) simply believes we would even despite a good portion of the starting 11 already being long term injured going into this season. There's no reasoning behind it, just belief.
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Ignoring the ideas of radically changing the playing system and giving the players bodies something new to get used to again, my belief is also based on the law of averages and probability that we simply couldn’t suffer as bad an injury crisis like that again.

Still not following why my assertion is ‘belief’ and your certainty in the other direction is not belief by the way.
 
SissokoWasGood (BoL) said:
Ignoring the ideas of radically changing the playing system and giving the players bodies something new to get used to again, my belief is also based on the law of averages and probability that we simply couldn’t suffer as bad an injury crisis like that again.

Still not following why my assertion is ‘belief’ and your certainty in the other direction is not belief by the way.
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I haven't said it's certainty at all, but I'm following the fairly clear trend. Lots of injuries in his 1st and 2nd seasons. You say law of average but factually you can see that yes we did actually suffer umpteen injuries once again this season. There nothing to suggest the injuries we've had this season wouldn't have happened if Ange were still the manager.
 
Bishop said:
I haven't said it's certainty at all, but I'm following the fairly clear trend. Lots of injuries in his 1st and 2nd seasons. You say law of average but factually you can see that yes we did actually suffer umpteen injuries once again this season. There nothing to suggest the injuries we've had this season wouldn't have happened if Ange were still the manager.
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Other than the players being used to the methods and being more resilient to them as a result, right? Are you saying there is absolutely zero possibility of that being the case?
 
SissokoWasGood (BoL) said:
Other than the players being used to the methods and being more resilient to them as a result, right? Are you saying there is absolutely zero possibility of that being the case?
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Unless you believe that there is something specific about Ange or Frank's systems that caused the injuries then no I don't think that's the case.

What I don't understand is considering we suffered said injuries in the first year and again in the 2nd year and even with a different coach who played a different and less inense system we still suffered the injuries you think with Ange this time we suddenly wouldn't?

Im not trying to be rude but what are you basing thing on other than sheer hope? My belief is whomever the coach is next season if we go into the season largely with this set of players we will once suffer from loads of injuries.
 
SteveAWOL said:
Yup, an elite manager knows that the league campaign should be their primary focus and if they can keep the team winning most weeks then picking up some silverware should be the corollary of that.

Hence why, despite not actually winning any trophies, Pochettino will continue to be held in higher regard than Postecoglou or Ramos even though each gave us a memorable cup win.

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You've shifted the goalposts of the discussion mate.

This specific discussion has nothing to do with which manager will be held in higher regard, in fact that's a cheeky side-step into a whole other area. I argued/debated for years that Pochettino was the 'one' and that we collectively blew it with him (something I believe to this day).

This discussion (as I understand it) is very binary. Was Ange a 'winner'? Yes. He was. he won the Europa League.
 
NoLimits01 said:
So I guess you love this manager as much?

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A cheap, lazy, and ill-thought 'comparison' that doesn't even stand the test of comparison in this situation. In fact, f-uck off for even suggesting such a filthy thing :tearsofjoy:

The ONLY thing I would grudgingly have to concede is that this pr ick was also a 'winner' with us because he did, indeed, win that thing.
 
billyiddo said:
If you're gonna credit Ange with making us winners you have to credit him for taking us to the wrong end of the table - this season is a case in point as to why many of us were so focused on the '17th' of last season - we were dragged to the bottom four, haven't been able to get ourselves out of it and are now staring relegation in the face.
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I don't 'credit' him with that, I recognise he was part of the situation which saw that slide occur and I would hope he absolutely recognized, and learned, some of the areas he got wrong during last season.

What is bizarre to me is that the 'reset' and 'stability first' appointment we made ended up being worse than anything he produced (currently 5 points worse off than this time last season I believe). I say this whilst equally feeling a bit sorry for Frank.

It's academic really. The truth is our issues have been deeply systemic since we brick ourselves, sacked Poch and went for 'the winner'...albeit hindsight does have me wondering what 'the winner' might've done without covid, until I remember his meek capitulation in the CL that year when we had a few injuries! But again, the deep-sitting truth here is that chickens and roosting apply back to 2019/2020...
 
thfcsteff said:
I don't 'credit' him with that, I recognise he was part of the situation which saw that slide occur and I would hope he absolutely recognized, and learned, some of the areas he got wrong during last season.

What is bizarre to me is that the 'reset' and 'stability first' appointment we made ended up being worse than anything he produced (currently 5 points worse off than this time last season I believe). I say this whilst equally feeling a bit sorry for Frank.

It's academic really. The truth is our issues have been deeply systemic since we brick ourselves, sacked Poch and went for 'the winner'...albeit hindsight does have me wondering what 'the winner' might've done without covid, until I remember his meek capitulation in the CL that year when we had a few injuries! But again, the deep-sitting truth here is that chickens and roosting apply back to 2019/2020...
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When Frank was sacked we had a better ppg than last season so the point in bold can be spun either way, not that it matters. Last season was the worst league performance in our history, if we follow that up with something worse that doesn't change anything in the grand scheme of things. Frank was rightly sacked, as should any manager that has us in this sort of position.

Yes our problems do stretch back to the end of the Poch era - truth be told I'm not sure any of our teams since than have been any better than what we have now, take both Son & Kane out of Mourinho or Conte teams and we're likely deep in the bottom half with the players we had once we sold off the other top players from that team. A solid lesson in how not to approach transfers & squad building over an extended period.
 
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