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The 'If You Still Need to Purge Yourself Of Ange' Thread

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BrainOfLevy said:
I would also say…the end of 23/24 wasn’t even THAT bad. If you look at the results, we still get some big wins. It wasn’t world beating form, but it was decent enough. We had Saudi Sportswashing Machine away, Liverpool, Arsenal and City in that run of fixtures we lost towards the end of the season. Ideally we would have won more. But it’s a difficult run. Taken in the round, we finished 5th. I don’t know how or why it should be connected to the next season, when the general run of form even after those ten games wasn’t even that bad.
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The reason we finished 5th was based on the first 25% of the season, from there on in we played like a side facing relegation
 
veryoldspur said:
The reason we finished 5th was based on the first 25% of the season, from there on in we played like a side facing relegation
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I’ve looked at our fixtures in that season because people keep saying it was relegation form after the first ten games, and I can’t for the life of me understand what they mean.

There was a really bad 4 games after the Chelsea game (lots of injuries and suspensions to deal with) which still includes a draw at Emirates Marketing Project. And then a bad 4 game stretch towards the end of the season playing against the top sides one after the other. And then the rest of the season was basically fine. Not saying it was world beating. But it wasn’t relegation form.

Genuinely, are we looking at the same fixtures?
 
veryoldspur said:
The reason we finished 5th was based on the first 25% of the season, from there on in we played like a side facing relegation
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It does make me laugh how posters like you try and asterisk anything positive Ange achieved. He got us finishing 5th in our first Kane-less season, 'Yeah, but...' He wins the Europa League in his second, 'Well yeah, but...'

The facts are he was here two seasons, had us finishing 5th in the PL, one very poor league campaign and Europa League winners all in two years. Dress it up any way you want, he's in a net positive....
 
harr1984 said:
It does make me laugh how posters like you try and asterisk anything positive Ange achieved. He got us finishing 5th in our first Kane-less season, 'Yeah, but...' He wins the Europa League in his second, 'Well yeah, but...'

The facts are he was here two seasons, had us finishing 5th in the PL, one very poor league campaign and Europa League winners all in two years. Dress it up any way you want, he's in a net positive....
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It’s strange isn’t it. Either you give him credit for that 25% of the season too, or you don’t. But if you don’t, then you really really get into circumstances, context, what else might have caused the results etc. Because if there were other reasons we won 10/11 games, then maybe there were other reasons we struggled in the league after etc etc.
 
BrainOfLevy said:
It’s strange isn’t it. Either you give him credit for that 25% of the season too, or you don’t. But if you don’t, then you really really get into circumstances, context, what else might have caused the results etc. Because if there were other reasons we won 10/11 games, then maybe there were other reasons we struggled in the league after etc etc.
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Its the bielsa effect. Very unique (but flawed) style of play hits teams like a steamroller. Then we get picked apart by Chelsea and suddenly thats the blue print right there and that blueprint has been honed by opposition managers over time to the point where we are very easy to beat. It's basically "lads, its Tottenham, if you do this, you're going to beat them 9/10". He didn't play like that in the later stages of the Europa. But we aren't going to tolerate a season of 27% possession camping on the edge of our own box are we?
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
Its the bielsa effect. Very unique (but flawed) style of play hits teams like a steamroller. Then we get picked apart by Chelsea and suddenly thats the blue print right there and that blueprint has been honed by opposition managers over time to the point where we are very easy to beat. It's basically "lads, its Tottenham, if you do this, you're going to beat them 9/10". He didn't play like that in the later stages of the Europa. But we aren't going to tolerate a season of 27% possession camping on the edge of our own box are we?
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The idea that the blueprint was discovered doesn’t make sense. We still won lots of games after that first Chelsea game. Including beating really big teams away from home. We also lost to inferior teams at home. If the blueprint was out, we would routinely get destroyed by literally every team.
 
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