veryoldspur
Reto Ziegler
The reason we finished 5th was based on the first 25% of the season, from there on in we played like a side facing relegation
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The 'If You Still Need to Purge Yourself Of Ange' Thread
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BrainOfLevy
Michael Carrick
I’ve looked at our fixtures in that season because people keep saying it was relegation form after the first ten games, and I can’t for the life of me understand what they mean.
There was a really bad 4 games after the Chelsea game (lots of injuries and suspensions to deal with) which still includes a draw at Emirates Marketing Project. And then a bad 4 game stretch towards the end of the season playing against the top sides one after the other. And then the rest of the season was basically fine. Not saying it was world beating. But it wasn’t relegation form.
Genuinely, are we looking at the same fixtures?
It does make me laugh how posters like you try and asterisk anything positive Ange achieved. He got us finishing 5th in our first Kane-less season, 'Yeah, but...' He wins the Europa League in his second, 'Well yeah, but...'
The facts are he was here two seasons, had us finishing 5th in the PL, one very poor league campaign and Europa League winners all in two years. Dress it up any way you want, he's in a net positive....
BrainOfLevy
Michael Carrick
It’s strange isn’t it. Either you give him credit for that 25% of the season too, or you don’t. But if you don’t, then you really really get into circumstances, context, what else might have caused the results etc. Because if there were other reasons we won 10/11 games, then maybe there were other reasons we struggled in the league after etc etc.
afsoc4life
Michael Carrick
Thanks. No true Spurs fan would diminish the Europa League! Let us know when you have finished worshipping the RSol jersey in your closet.
Silly McSilly Face
Goran Bunjevcevic
Its the bielsa effect. Very unique (but flawed) style of play hits teams like a steamroller. Then we get picked apart by Chelsea and suddenly thats the blue print right there and that blueprint has been honed by opposition managers over time to the point where we are very easy to beat. It's basically "lads, its Tottenham, if you do this, you're going to beat them 9/10". He didn't play like that in the later stages of the Europa. But we aren't going to tolerate a season of 27% possession camping on the edge of our own box are we?
BrainOfLevy
Michael Carrick
The idea that the blueprint was discovered doesn’t make sense. We still won lots of games after that first Chelsea game. Including beating really big teams away from home. We also lost to inferior teams at home. If the blueprint was out, we would routinely get destroyed by literally every team.
tommysvr
Michael Carrick
You should watch the first ten games again I think.
Muttley
Tim Sherwood
Nah I never spoke about spectrums and different shades of grey. You made that part up and misquoted me. I think the major emphasis on what I said was that I am quite happy in the grey, but notice that some people like their lives black and white. It's similar to the concept that some people only like single root causes and can't do the "some from column A, some from column B" approach.
What I would say is that I'm also quite happy to make decisions. If I have to turn things into black or white I will if that's my job to do that. Otherwise it's opinions only from me if it's someone else's accountability. If other people label them as absolutes, that's on them, not me. That is why I'm hugely proud of my football club for making sense of all that grey space and making a big decision on Ange. They took all the quantitative and qualitative data available to them and boldly made a manager change. You won't see this supporter bemoaning them for their decision. I know they had way more info than I had access to and I can only trust that they used it with best intent for our football club.
kb 1984
Radek Cerny
Nope I was told spurs was being dissuced so it can stay. Then told it will be moved when it's moved. No other ex manager has a thread in spurs news it was a mistake to put it here in the first place. Let's be honest all the complaining in the world won't make a blind bit of difference while 23 people want it.
I don't care anymore I have somewhere to put my Ange stuff
thfcsteff
Vivian Woodward
I didn't make anything up. I might well have misinterpreted? Albeit given your subsequent answer I don't think so (let's be clear, I was using the term 'spectrum' in regards to 'shades' of colour -in this case, grey). I am not sure who you are referring to in your first paragraph? It'd be rather bold if you were inferring anyone here?...
Your second paragraph? I'm not sure what you're getting at. You're presenting that approach as if it is unique to a small sub-sect of people? I think most people (especially in this situation) are in the same place? Am I misinterpreting again?
It's turned into a pointless kind of thread. The Ange debate just goes round in circles with he same arguments rehashed time and time again. Neither side of the argument is ever gonna change their opinion and we all just need to accept that and move on.
I understand the reason for starting this thread, but I think all it has done is give the subject momentum and kept it front and center of people's thoughts rather than let it slowly fade into the background as would naturally happen over time.
