Racism in football

[Grays_1890]

There was very little outcry when Russian teams were banned. The duplicity is nuts.

It's also become another situation where facts seem to have left the room and people are using it as a to political point score.

Their fans have gone round Europe abusing Arabs

The Midlands is a hot bed for Muslim community

Banning fans for not making locals feel uncomfortable née unsafe in their own city is hardly the scandalous decision people are making out.

Common sense has left the room because again, people are picking sides in some kind of religion battle when it reality we need to stop any kind of this current abuse, islamaphobic, anti semitic and everything else that comes with societies current favourite pastime which seems to be acting like a cnut

 

[Lost Mango]

No, they have been “banned” because the police don’t think they will be safe.

There was some poor behaviour by their fans in Amsterdam, but I believe many more Ajax fans were arrested than Tel Aviv fans.

If the police feel Tel Aviv fans won’t be safe, surely it’s logical that the Villa fans should be banned too, and the game be played behind closed doors at a neutral venue.

If a persons safety on the UK streets is determined by where they were born, that’s a damning indictment on us.

love the way you underplay it to minimise the context (vandalism and shouting "death to all arabs" I believe it was which led to a response from the locals) and could the fact more Ajax fans were arrested be due to the fact, err, there are probably significantly more of them in their home area?

I assume all Maccabi fans are banned even ones born outside of Israel? Isn't this another case of people deliberately conflating issues with Israel and antisemitism rather than the actual situation?

 

[Penwith Pete]

It's also become another situation where facts seem to have left the room and people are using it as a to political point score.

Their fans have gone round Europe abusing Arabs

The Midlands is a hot bed for Muslim community

Banning fans for not making locals feel uncomfortable née unsafe in their own city is hardly the scandalous decision people are making out.

Common sense has left the room because again, people are picking sides in some kind of religion battle when it reality we need to stop any kind of this current abuse, islamaphobic, anti semitic and everything else that comes with societies current favourite pastime which seems to be acting like a cnut

So we just ignore the fact that the MP that started the petition stated that Israeli sports teams should not be allowed to participate in international competitions? Equally, do we ignore the Muslim scholars openly calling for the community to show no mercy to visiting Maccabi Tel Aviv fans? This is antisemitism and the authorities caved in to it. I get why the SAG would recommend the action, I used to sit on one for a Premier League team so I know their approach, but the Police and the Council should have shown some balls and stood firmly against it.

 

[Grays_1890]

So we just ignore the fact that the MP that started the petition stated that Israeli sports teams should not be allowed to participate in international competitions? Equally, do we ignore the Muslim scholars openly calling for the community to show no mercy to visiting Maccabi Tel Aviv fans? This is antisemitism and the authorities caved in to it. I get why the SAG would recommend the action, I used to sit on one for a Premier League team so I know their approach, but the Police and the Council should have shown some balls and stood firmly against it.

No all of that feeds into the right decision being made

You are making the mistake of thinking I'm siding with the MPs and scholars, I'm not.

But there are innocent Jews and Muslims in this country, like me and Lutons whose lives are made harder because of MPs, TR, Football fans and protestors who have no middle ground and want to pick sides that suit their prejudice.

I'm Switzerland mate, I don't want any of it, on either sides. So fck them both, MPs using political and religious point scoring and any football fan that sings "fudge Arabs"

I thought we would be better at this stuff having had Chelsea fans hissing at away games etc.....how wrong am I

 

[Baleforce]

love the way you underplay it to minimise the context (vandalism and shouting "death to all arabs" I believe it was which led to a response from the locals) and could the fact more Ajax fans were arrested be due to the fact, err, there are probably significantly more of them in their home area?

I assume all Maccabi fans are banned even ones born outside of Israel? Isn't this another case of people deliberately conflating issues with Israel and antisemitism rather than the actual situation?

As I read it, the abuse from the Ajax fans/locals came first.

We shouldn't assume them guilty of a crime they have not committed here yet.

 

[Lost Mango]

As I read it, the abuse from the Ajax fans/locals came first.

We shouldn't assume them guilty of a crime they have not committed here yet.

That was the initial media output but it was challenged and then corrected as it was the Tel Aviv fans starting it.

We shouldn't assume guilt but then we do in lots of situations - English football got banned for however long because of assumed guilt going forward.

 

[Gutter Boy]

As I read it, the abuse from the Ajax fans/locals came first.

We shouldn't assume them guilty of a crime they have not committed here yet.

The famously anti-semitic Ajax ultras known as Joden (the Jews, or sometimes Superjews)?

 

[Baleforce]

The famously anti-semitic Ajax ultras known as Joden (the Jews, or sometimes Superjews)?

I didn't say it was anti-semitic.