Then be so good at your job your employer can't afford to lose you and has to offer better terms.
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Gilzeantoscore
Justin Edinburgh
But, there is a cost, a loss in revenue. Why aren't the Tories as accountable as Labour? They never broadcast the cuts that ensue, that's always in the fine print. You know the answer to that as well as I do, it's called a double standard. BTW, cutting spending doesn't always lead to good economic outcomes. Keynes?
Gilzeantoscore
Justin Edinburgh
This is irrelevant, being good isn't as marketable as being cheap. Some industries, such as stores are almost all casual these days. You know Scara it's the good ole free market bottom line.
Then be better than working in a store. It really is quite simple.
Both manifestos are independently analysed for being balanced and neither ever are.
I'm no fan of the current Conservative government but I think they've been pretty up front about spending cuts over the last decade or so.
Gilzeantoscore
Justin Edinburgh
I don't quite know how to break this to you...some people aren't better than that. You seem to be saying that they are not deserving of the basic dignity of a full time job...because... they don't deserve it because their skill base is limited. Is that right? brick mate, that's not a world I want to live in, how fudging bleak!
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Everyone is able to work hard and improve themselves.
If someone chooses not to then that's up to them. They can't choose not to and then claim they deserve something from the job market.
Gilzeantoscore
Justin Edinburgh
So according to that warped logic, only people who fail to work hard are stuck in casualized work? Do you actually read the stuff that you post?
The Labour Manifesto is officially out tomorrow iirc. I liked what I saw of the leaked draft version. Got the sort of policies that other western democracies seem to implement quite well and provides a genuine, left-wing alternative to the Tories. They reckon it's all costed out, so we'll see what it says -- no doubt the relevant economic bodies will chime in when they have analysed it.
Draft manifesto leaks, Labour lose 3 points to the Conservatives.
Worst. Manifesto. Ever.
I don't think they lost 3 points, not on the polls I've seen (The Guardian keep listing them all).
You have the Tories or UKIP to vote for anyway, it's not like you are going to plump for the party that says it's "democratic socialist" on the membership card. Surely a left-wing party should present some left-wing ideas? If the country wants a right-wing government, then they'll vote Tory. IMO, that's a mistake but that's democracy.
Labour stayed flat whilst the Conservatives gained 3 (YouGov). In a two horse race that's a loss of 3.
The average of the polls (rather than just one) didn't show that iirc, but I'm too lazy to look it up!
I tend to pay more attention to the polls that tend to be more correct. YouGov have been as good as any in recent years.
Either way, to have essentially published your manifesto without the other party having theirs around to steal your thunder and gaining no ground at all? That's pretty terrible.
Just goes to show how little appetite there is in this country for such an extremist manifesto.
parklane1
Vic Buckingham
I think their (leaked?) manifesto has some really good points in it and it would be nice for them to see them through. However i doubt very much if that will happen, the country is full of " i'm all right Jack" attitude ( seen in the postings of one particular .member on here
).So many folks have the attitude " what can you do for me" rather then " what can you do for the benefit of the majority".
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
Thought it might be fun if we listed our own personal Manifestos so in no particular order of relevance here is the Manifesto for the Ben Lambert party(ME)
Ban all Zoos and make pet ownership illegal.
20% corporation tax to any company trading more then 50% of their business outside the EU.
Ban dual citizenship, if you take British Citizenship you have to revoke your previous nationality.
Re-nationalise the Railways.
Massive investment in medical research companies offering tax relief so we become a world leader.
Start a cross party study group to look in to ways Britain can get 100% of it's energy needs from with the UK.
Give senior citizens free rail cards for all of Britain on non peak travel times(boasted internal tourism when they did this in Spain)
Build more prisons and have a castration programme for kiddy fiddlers.
Start a task force looking into so called travellers and their tax evasion also do what they did in Ireland and make it illegal to park up on public land.
Start a cross party study group to look into vertical farming and improve how much of our food needs comes from within Britain.
Break the Koyto agreement and set our own goals.
Tell the EU they are not getting a penny from us as we have given them two years notification that we are leaving.
Pledge to allow all EU nationals that are here the right to stay if the same is given for British nationals abroad.
Start a massive social housing building programme, with the homes never being allowed to be sold off under law.
All new homes to have extra large windows to beat depression.
Football clubs by law have to have 6 English/Welsh or Northern Irish players in the first team.
Work towards a united Ireland(have relatives out there so might be biased)
Work towards getting the scots to finally bugger off then rebuild the wall and keep them there.
Arsen Wenger to be forced to sign new 5 year contract.
Build a new runway at Heathrow.
Build crossrail 2.
Investigate Blair for war crimes.
Investigate Boris Johnson for fraud.
Ban all religion taught in schools, when people are old enough they can become religious or star trek fans or whatever it is their choice.
Make hate crimes against people of different sexuality, races, religions punishable by longer prison terms in the lovely new prison being built. I do not like religion but it is your choice to be religious and you should be allowed to practise what you like.
Build one big new city somewhere in England which would be like a Manhattan and then leave all the other smaller towns alone.
Build more grammar schools.
Change the education system so that children that are not good at academia can do just the basics after 14 while instead learning a trade, giving the teachers a better chance to teach the children who are capable of learning.
Invest more money in the national theatre.
Invest money into wave turbine technology.
Put a 50% tax on Arsenal football club for crimes against humanity.
That is what I would do if I had my own political party. I am leaving the NHS alone because I can not work out whether it is good/bad or just plain inept.
Ban all Zoos and make pet ownership illegal.
20% corporation tax to any company trading more then 50% of their business outside the EU.
Ban dual citizenship, if you take British Citizenship you have to revoke your previous nationality.
Re-nationalise the Railways.
Massive investment in medical research companies offering tax relief so we become a world leader.
Start a cross party study group to look in to ways Britain can get 100% of it's energy needs from with the UK.
Give senior citizens free rail cards for all of Britain on non peak travel times(boasted internal tourism when they did this in Spain)
Build more prisons and have a castration programme for kiddy fiddlers.
Start a task force looking into so called travellers and their tax evasion also do what they did in Ireland and make it illegal to park up on public land.
Start a cross party study group to look into vertical farming and improve how much of our food needs comes from within Britain.
Break the Koyto agreement and set our own goals.
Tell the EU they are not getting a penny from us as we have given them two years notification that we are leaving.
Pledge to allow all EU nationals that are here the right to stay if the same is given for British nationals abroad.
Start a massive social housing building programme, with the homes never being allowed to be sold off under law.
All new homes to have extra large windows to beat depression.
Football clubs by law have to have 6 English/Welsh or Northern Irish players in the first team.
Work towards a united Ireland(have relatives out there so might be biased)
Work towards getting the scots to finally bugger off then rebuild the wall and keep them there.
Arsen Wenger to be forced to sign new 5 year contract.
Build a new runway at Heathrow.
Build crossrail 2.
Investigate Blair for war crimes.
Investigate Boris Johnson for fraud.
Ban all religion taught in schools, when people are old enough they can become religious or star trek fans or whatever it is their choice.
Make hate crimes against people of different sexuality, races, religions punishable by longer prison terms in the lovely new prison being built. I do not like religion but it is your choice to be religious and you should be allowed to practise what you like.
Build one big new city somewhere in England which would be like a Manhattan and then leave all the other smaller towns alone.
Build more grammar schools.
Change the education system so that children that are not good at academia can do just the basics after 14 while instead learning a trade, giving the teachers a better chance to teach the children who are capable of learning.
Invest more money in the national theatre.
Invest money into wave turbine technology.
Put a 50% tax on Arsenal football club for crimes against humanity.
That is what I would do if I had my own political party. I am leaving the NHS alone because I can not work out whether it is good/bad or just plain inept.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Politics
- Hard Brexit with a simple CETA-type deal
- Scottish independence and a united Ireland; new British Isles foreign policy forum (Nordic Council type thing)
- House of Lords replaced by upper chamber of nominees from the professions
- Vote for 16-17 year olds
Economics
- De-growth - compulsory 28-hour working week; sustainable industrial strategy; restrictions on the production/import of less useful things (financial services, anything with planned obsolescence); incentives for local, seasonal and minimally-packaged food
- Working toward renewable fuel self-sufficiency
- Increase R&D budget
- Rail and amenities run as third sector/charities (universities model - competition, financially self-sustaining but for public good and with no shareholders)
Social
- Final steps to gay emancipation and sexual equality - (end marriage tax breaks, heterosexual civil ceremonies, end blood service gay ban, male synchronised swimming and rhythm gymnastics in the Olympics)
Education
- Graduate tax in place of student loans (1% on income tax of graduates for life, no debt tied to individuals)
Health
- Social insurance scheme (Canadian/German model)
Infrastructure
- Manchester-Sheffield road tunnel and huge upgrading of Manchester-Leeds-Sheffield road and rail links
- M1 to M23 sub-London tunnel (to solve the Heathrow and Dartford problems)
- Abolish all managed motorways
- 80 mph motorway speed limit
Housing
- Brown-site only development. Current problems will be solved by rebalancing the economy away from the south-east and (slowly) naturally shrinking population
Immigration
- Permit system for skilled workers and spouses
- Hard Brexit with a simple CETA-type deal
- Scottish independence and a united Ireland; new British Isles foreign policy forum (Nordic Council type thing)
- House of Lords replaced by upper chamber of nominees from the professions
- Vote for 16-17 year olds
Economics
- De-growth - compulsory 28-hour working week; sustainable industrial strategy; restrictions on the production/import of less useful things (financial services, anything with planned obsolescence); incentives for local, seasonal and minimally-packaged food
- Working toward renewable fuel self-sufficiency
- Increase R&D budget
- Rail and amenities run as third sector/charities (universities model - competition, financially self-sustaining but for public good and with no shareholders)
Social
- Final steps to gay emancipation and sexual equality - (end marriage tax breaks, heterosexual civil ceremonies, end blood service gay ban, male synchronised swimming and rhythm gymnastics in the Olympics)
Education
- Graduate tax in place of student loans (1% on income tax of graduates for life, no debt tied to individuals)
Health
- Social insurance scheme (Canadian/German model)
Infrastructure
- Manchester-Sheffield road tunnel and huge upgrading of Manchester-Leeds-Sheffield road and rail links
- M1 to M23 sub-London tunnel (to solve the Heathrow and Dartford problems)
- Abolish all managed motorways
- 80 mph motorway speed limit
Housing
- Brown-site only development. Current problems will be solved by rebalancing the economy away from the south-east and (slowly) naturally shrinking population
Immigration
- Permit system for skilled workers and spouses
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What would that achieve?
Baleforce
Ron Henry
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
It's the first step to de-growth. The idea of de-growth is to reduce consumption, reduce production, end the aim of full employment, have more time for leisure and social activities, and spread the remaining non-automated work around (complemented by some form of basic income).
A decade or so later we can then go to a 21 hour week. Evolutionary psychologists reckon man's optimum/ideal performance level is about 17 hours a week done in bursts (basically still linked to intense periods of hunting followed by sustained down-time)