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Silly McSilly Face said:
War crimes are unfortunately pretty inevitable and occur in pretty much every conflict. But then this guy seems to have taken the quotes from the source and added x10. The quotes themselves seem to imply that whether civilians were shot was down to commanders moods but then he takes that and says "its not errant commanders its the state of Israel itself" and i'm sat there and thinking....er....thats not what the source said mate.
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Have you got a different video to me?
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
I don't think theres any reliable figure to differentiate combatants from civilians. Combatants fighting the Israelis are basically civilians that have picked up a gun. Hamas and other Palestinian paramilitaries are not a super organised structure and they dont have an army.
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This was the case, even if one were to accept Hamas's patently ridiculous numbers.
 
glorygloryeze said:
The bias of not being able to see clearly genocidal actions and instead describe such as simply "legitimate military actions".
For example, asking millions of civilians to relocate to specific areas "for their safety" and then hitting those same areas with bombs is clearly wicked and genocidal and NOT simply "legitimate military actions" - unless those "legitimate military actions" include killing as many people who live in Palestinian lands as possible so Israelis can move in and replace them...

I agree with you that Israel won't achieve those aims, in fact i think "Zionism" is dying on its feet. A one-state solution where people of ALL religious persuasions and ethnicities have equal rights is in fact what will likely happen from here imo
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Your "genocidal" assertions do your argument no justice and just make you sound ridiculous.

Just think about it for one second. Given all the ability and firepower available to Israel, if genocide were the aim, then why do Palestinians exist? Why have so many Israeli soldiers died in dangerous, close range combat?
 
LutonSpurs said:
Not that you will respond to this seriously but the 300 plus bullets used on 6 year old Hind Rajab are not an anecdote.
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It's a war, people die.

Adding 1 to the non-combatant count doesn't change the fact that this is still the lowest ratio of non to combatants in modern history.
 
They really need to change whoever does these forecasts, do they ever get anything correct ??

The cost of the state pension triple lock is forecast to be three times' higher by the end of the decade than its original estimate, according to the government's official forecaster.
The triple lock, which came into force in 2011, means that the state pension rises each year in line with either inflation, wage increases or 2.5% - whichever is the highest.
The Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR) said the annual cost is estimated to reach £15.5bn by 2030.
Overall, the OBR said the UK's public finances were in a "relatively vulnerable position" owing to pressure from recent government U-turns on planned spending cuts.
The recent reversal of welfare bill reforms, on top of restoring winter fuel payments for most claimants, have contributed to a continued rise in government debt, according to the report.
It said: "Efforts to put the UK's public finances on a more sustainable footing have met with only limited and temporary success in recent years in the aftermath of the shocks, debt has also continued to rise and borrowing remained elevated because governments have reversed plans to consolidate the public finances.
"Planned tax rises have been reversed, and, more significantly, planned spending reductions have been abandoned."
Spending on the state pension has steadily risen, the OBR said, because the triple lock and a growing number of people above the state pension age.
It added: "Due to inflation and earnings volatility over its first two decades in operation, the triple lock has cost around three times more than initial expectations."

'Unsustainable'​

The OBR said the cost of the state pension has risen steadily over the past eight decades, from around 2% of the UK economy to a current 5%, equating to £138bn.
It is forecast to increase to 7.7% of the economy by the early 2070s.
Richard Hughes, chair of the OBR, said the triple lock "is one of a series of age-related pressures that pushes public spending upwards steadily over a number of years".
"When you project trends in both pension spending and health and other age-related spending forward, the UK public finances are in an unsustainable position in the long-run," he said.
"The UK cannot afford the array of promises that are displayed to the public if you just if you leave those unchanged based on a reasonable assumption about growth rates in the economy and in tax revenues."

Pensioner protection​

The UK's state pension is the second-largest item in the government budget after health.
In 2011, the Conservative-Liberal Democrat coalition brought in the triple lock to ensure the value of the state pension was not overtaken by the increase in the cost of living or the incomes of working people.
Since then, the non-earnings-linked element of the lock has been triggered "in eight of the 13 years to date", the OBR pointed out, external.
That was because inflation "has turned out to be significantly more volatile" than expected.
In April 2025, the earnings link meant the state pension increased by 4.1%, making it worth:
Chancellor Rachel Reeves has said the Labour government will keep the triple lock until the end of the current Parliament.
 
markysimmo said:
They really need to change whoever does these forecasts, do they ever get anything correct ??

The cost of the state pension triple lock is forecast to be three times' higher by the end of the decade than its original estimate, according to the government's official forecaster.
The triple lock, which came into force in 2011, means that the state pension rises each year in line with either inflation, wage increases or 2.5% - whichever is the highest.
The Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR) said the annual cost is estimated to reach £15.5bn by 2030.
Overall, the OBR said the UK's public finances were in a "relatively vulnerable position" owing to pressure from recent government U-turns on planned spending cuts.
The recent reversal of welfare bill reforms, on top of restoring winter fuel payments for most claimants, have contributed to a continued rise in government debt, according to the report.
It said: "Efforts to put the UK's public finances on a more sustainable footing have met with only limited and temporary success in recent years in the aftermath of the shocks, debt has also continued to rise and borrowing remained elevated because governments have reversed plans to consolidate the public finances.
"Planned tax rises have been reversed, and, more significantly, planned spending reductions have been abandoned."
Spending on the state pension has steadily risen, the OBR said, because the triple lock and a growing number of people above the state pension age.
It added: "Due to inflation and earnings volatility over its first two decades in operation, the triple lock has cost around three times more than initial expectations."

'Unsustainable'​

The OBR said the cost of the state pension has risen steadily over the past eight decades, from around 2% of the UK economy to a current 5%, equating to £138bn.
It is forecast to increase to 7.7% of the economy by the early 2070s.
Richard Hughes, chair of the OBR, said the triple lock "is one of a series of age-related pressures that pushes public spending upwards steadily over a number of years".
"When you project trends in both pension spending and health and other age-related spending forward, the UK public finances are in an unsustainable position in the long-run," he said.
"The UK cannot afford the array of promises that are displayed to the public if you just if you leave those unchanged based on a reasonable assumption about growth rates in the economy and in tax revenues."

Pensioner protection​

The UK's state pension is the second-largest item in the government budget after health.
In 2011, the Conservative-Liberal Democrat coalition brought in the triple lock to ensure the value of the state pension was not overtaken by the increase in the cost of living or the incomes of working people.
Since then, the non-earnings-linked element of the lock has been triggered "in eight of the 13 years to date", the OBR pointed out, external.
That was because inflation "has turned out to be significantly more volatile" than expected.
In April 2025, the earnings link meant the state pension increased by 4.1%, making it worth:
Chancellor Rachel Reeves has said the Labour government will keep the triple lock until the end of the current Parliament.
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We pay national insurance for our pensions. At least those that are working. The problem isn't what the pensions cost the economy. It's what the contributions have been invested in or syphoned off for.
It's like a pension company complaining they have to pay out to old people.
 
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Resident doctors (previously "junior doctors") voted in favour of strike action again today. Can't wait to see Rachel's "happy tears" when they agree to the 29% pay rise demanded - Its all unravelling rapidly ..
 
Mikey10 said:
Horrific.

Hamas used sexual violence as part of 'genocidal strategy', Israeli experts say https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1mz8gxzg82o
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No doubt that hamas used sexual violence but how that constitutes a genocidalstrategy or an attempt to dehumanise Israeli society is laughable.

Usual israeli tactic of trying to throw accusations back to make it a like-for-like offence when it is anything but symmetrical.
 
scaramanga said:
Your "genocidal" assertions do your argument no justice and just make you sound ridiculous.

Just think about it for one second. Given all the ability and firepower available to Israel, if genocide were the aim, then why do Palestinians exist? Why have so many Israeli soldiers died in dangerous, close range combat?
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I suppose you're going to also say Germany weren't doing anything genocidal or attempting a Holocaust because "Jews still existed by the end of WW2", right?
 
markysimmo said:
They really need to change whoever does these forecasts, do they ever get anything correct ??

The cost of the state pension triple lock is forecast to be three times' higher by the end of the decade than its original estimate, according to the government's official forecaster.
The triple lock, which came into force in 2011, means that the state pension rises each year in line with either inflation, wage increases or 2.5% - whichever is the highest.
The Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR) said the annual cost is estimated to reach £15.5bn by 2030.
Overall, the OBR said the UK's public finances were in a "relatively vulnerable position" owing to pressure from recent government U-turns on planned spending cuts.
The recent reversal of welfare bill reforms, on top of restoring winter fuel payments for most claimants, have contributed to a continued rise in government debt, according to the report.
It said: "Efforts to put the UK's public finances on a more sustainable footing have met with only limited and temporary success in recent years in the aftermath of the shocks, debt has also continued to rise and borrowing remained elevated because governments have reversed plans to consolidate the public finances.
"Planned tax rises have been reversed, and, more significantly, planned spending reductions have been abandoned."
Spending on the state pension has steadily risen, the OBR said, because the triple lock and a growing number of people above the state pension age.
It added: "Due to inflation and earnings volatility over its first two decades in operation, the triple lock has cost around three times more than initial expectations."

'Unsustainable'​

The OBR said the cost of the state pension has risen steadily over the past eight decades, from around 2% of the UK economy to a current 5%, equating to £138bn.
It is forecast to increase to 7.7% of the economy by the early 2070s.
Richard Hughes, chair of the OBR, said the triple lock "is one of a series of age-related pressures that pushes public spending upwards steadily over a number of years".
"When you project trends in both pension spending and health and other age-related spending forward, the UK public finances are in an unsustainable position in the long-run," he said.
"The UK cannot afford the array of promises that are displayed to the public if you just if you leave those unchanged based on a reasonable assumption about growth rates in the economy and in tax revenues."

Pensioner protection​

The UK's state pension is the second-largest item in the government budget after health.
In 2011, the Conservative-Liberal Democrat coalition brought in the triple lock to ensure the value of the state pension was not overtaken by the increase in the cost of living or the incomes of working people.
Since then, the non-earnings-linked element of the lock has been triggered "in eight of the 13 years to date", the OBR pointed out, external.
That was because inflation "has turned out to be significantly more volatile" than expected.
In April 2025, the earnings link meant the state pension increased by 4.1%, making it worth:
Chancellor Rachel Reeves has said the Labour government will keep the triple lock until the end of the current Parliament.
Click to expand...

My wife still hasn't decided what to do with her 25p a week increase in state pension she got last week.
 
markysimmo said:
They really need to change whoever does these forecasts, do they ever get anything correct ??

The cost of the state pension triple lock is forecast to be three times' higher by the end of the decade than its original estimate, according to the government's official forecaster.
The triple lock, which came into force in 2011, means that the state pension rises each year in line with either inflation, wage increases or 2.5% - whichever is the highest.
The Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR) said the annual cost is estimated to reach £15.5bn by 2030.
Overall, the OBR said the UK's public finances were in a "relatively vulnerable position" owing to pressure from recent government U-turns on planned spending cuts.
The recent reversal of welfare bill reforms, on top of restoring winter fuel payments for most claimants, have contributed to a continued rise in government debt, according to the report.
It said: "Efforts to put the UK's public finances on a more sustainable footing have met with only limited and temporary success in recent years in the aftermath of the shocks, debt has also continued to rise and borrowing remained elevated because governments have reversed plans to consolidate the public finances.
"Planned tax rises have been reversed, and, more significantly, planned spending reductions have been abandoned."
Spending on the state pension has steadily risen, the OBR said, because the triple lock and a growing number of people above the state pension age.
It added: "Due to inflation and earnings volatility over its first two decades in operation, the triple lock has cost around three times more than initial expectations."

'Unsustainable'​

The OBR said the cost of the state pension has risen steadily over the past eight decades, from around 2% of the UK economy to a current 5%, equating to £138bn.
It is forecast to increase to 7.7% of the economy by the early 2070s.
Richard Hughes, chair of the OBR, said the triple lock "is one of a series of age-related pressures that pushes public spending upwards steadily over a number of years".
"When you project trends in both pension spending and health and other age-related spending forward, the UK public finances are in an unsustainable position in the long-run," he said.
"The UK cannot afford the array of promises that are displayed to the public if you just if you leave those unchanged based on a reasonable assumption about growth rates in the economy and in tax revenues."

Pensioner protection​

The UK's state pension is the second-largest item in the government budget after health.
In 2011, the Conservative-Liberal Democrat coalition brought in the triple lock to ensure the value of the state pension was not overtaken by the increase in the cost of living or the incomes of working people.
Since then, the non-earnings-linked element of the lock has been triggered "in eight of the 13 years to date", the OBR pointed out, external.
That was because inflation "has turned out to be significantly more volatile" than expected.
In April 2025, the earnings link meant the state pension increased by 4.1%, making it worth:
Chancellor Rachel Reeves has said the Labour government will keep the triple lock until the end of the current Parliament.
Click to expand...
A factor of three fault isn't that bad - two of the key data points for the calculation are highly volatile; inflation rate and age at death.
 
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