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LutonSpurs said:
Or she was voted in based on fears perpetuated by the far right. Most of these fears are unsubstantiated. She's clearly gone in with reforms playbook. Say stuff which isn't true and then double down. Keep people angry. And she's clearly not very good at the grift like Farage is.
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Or maybe you don't understand what they are living through based your views on left wing propaganda.
Everythings fine. Nothing to see here.
 
She is doing her job representing her constituents.
Rather than other mps who think they should represent people that arrive in this country illegally have never contributed and commit crimes.
Yep we're dumb for thinking that.
 
Sad world we are living in and part of the blame lays with all political partys. It the suckers in socity believing one party is better then the other.
 
monkeybarry said:
A link between asylum seekers and crime rates would have to see a change in pattern - otherwise it's just BAU crime for the area.

Your statement was that May 2025 showed high levels of crime - it doesn't, it shows a consistent level.

All pretty simple to understand really.
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I wasn't linking it to asylum seekers or a spike or otherwise in volumes. I was linking it to the BBC quote of Cheshire Police spokesman that they hadn't had any reports in the area in question of the type articulated by the MP.
 
I think Starmer may have got it just about right on Israel. We need to protect our relationship with the US, but I do think some of the current reports of Israeli conduct in Gaza are beyond the pale. October 7th and the Israeli response must be the end. Two wrongs don't make a right and by stating "cease and desist or we will formally recognise a Palestinian state" we are in think in the only place we can be. It is an almost impossible situation. The key goal has got to be to convince Trump that similarly to his stance on Ukraine that lasting peace in the middle east is in everyone's interests and that will only be achieved by a hard-man stance towards both sides - Israel have got to be presented with "two-state solution or the end of international support and protection". End of story.
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
I think Starmer may have got it just about right on Israel. We need to protect our relationship with the US, but I do think some of the current reports of Israeli conduct in Gaza are beyond the pale. October 7th and the Israeli response must be the end. Two wrongs don't make a right and by stating "cease and desist or we will formally recognise a Palestinian state" we are in think in the only place we can be. It is an almost impossible situation. The key goal has got to be to convince Trump that similarly to his stance on Ukraine that lasting peace in the middle east is in everyone's interests and that will only be achieved by a hard-man stance towards both sides - Israel have got to be presented with "two-state solution or the end of international support and protection". End of story.
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Add in the words '1967 borders' and you are spot om
 
Gutter Boy said:
Add in the words '1967 borders' and you are spot om
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Well I think its certainly something that can be thrown in there but reality is more about finding a lasting framework that both sides can get behind so while I don't disagree that 1967 borders could be the starting point if Hamas/Hezbollah and Iran could be nudged to a line drawn on current boundaries and that goes to appeasing the nut-jobs propping up Netanyahu then has to be an element of pragmatism at play. Important outcome is to have a free, democratic and growing Palestine with international recognition and support where we can help grow economy, end suffering and promote growth and opportunities.
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
Well I think its certainly something that can be thrown in there but reality is more about finding a lasting framework that both sides can get behind so while I don't disagree that 1967 borders could be the starting point if Hamas/Hezbollah and Iran could be nudged to a line drawn on current boundaries and that goes to appeasing the nut-jobs propping up Netanyahu then has to be an element of pragmatism at play. Important outcome is to have a free, democratic and growing Palestine with international recognition and support where we can help grow economy, end suffering and promote growth and opportunities.
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Israeli occupies 60% of the West Bank (Area C). That's not sustainable in any sense.

Netanyahu's government will all be off to the Hague soon enough anyway. It will catch up with them, the same as it did the Serb regime for Srebrenica
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
I think Starmer may have got it just about right on Israel. We need to protect our relationship with the US, but I do think some of the current reports of Israeli conduct in Gaza are beyond the pale. October 7th and the Israeli response must be the end. Two wrongs don't make a right and by stating "cease and desist or we will formally recognise a Palestinian state" we are in think in the only place we can be. It is an almost impossible situation. The key goal has got to be to convince Trump that similarly to his stance on Ukraine that lasting peace in the middle east is in everyone's interests and that will only be achieved by a hard-man stance towards both sides - Israel have got to be presented with "two-state solution or the end of international support and protection". End of story.
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Realistically though a two state solution just isn't on Netanyahu's radar. He needs to disappear for it to be an option.
 
Lilbaz said:
Or maybe you don't understand what they are living through based your views on left wing propaganda.
Everythings fine. Nothing to see here.
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My understanding of racism is lived experience. I've been beaten up as a teen while being called a Paki. I know what it feels like to be a British Pakistani in a world where Reform and others make me out to be some sort of threat or imposter.
 
LutonSpurs said:
My understanding of racism is lived experience. I've been beaten up as a teen while being called a Paki. I know what it feels like to be a British Pakistani in a world where Reform and others make me out to be some sort of threat or imposter.
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A lot of us got beaten up as a teenager. I got stabbed 3 times by a gang of somalians. Cause i tried to stop them stealing my mates moped.
 
Lilbaz said:
A lot of us got beaten up as a teenager. I got stabbed 3 times by a gang of somalians. Cause i tried to stop them stealing my mates moped.
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I get what you are saying but there is a big difference between being stabbed for helping a mate & being beaten up because your skin is a different colour.
 
Lilbaz said:
Did reform beat him up? Did the constituents of the area we are talking about beat him up?
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Did I say they did beat him up. You said as teenagers a lot of us got beaten up. After he gave a real life experience. You didn't mention the area or street. I just pointed out there was a difference between you helping a mate which is a good thing & someone being beaten up because of his colour.
 
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