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Mauricio Pochettino - Sacked
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Spend +wages is the most realistic way to view it ..
Not sure what the argument is anymore? facts (via multiple sources)
- The only teams who have won the PL in last 5 seasons have spent more than 1B each
- The only other side who has been consistently in the top 4 (Scum)has the 4th largest spend.
The only surprises in the data is actually
- How brick poor Pool, Villa, West Ham, Sunderland & QPR's return on their outlay has been
It should also make people understand 4th next season isn't really a realistic expectation
Not sure what the argument is anymore? facts (via multiple sources)
- The only teams who have won the PL in last 5 seasons have spent more than 1B each
- The only other side who has been consistently in the top 4 (Scum)has the 4th largest spend.
The only surprises in the data is actually
- How brick poor Pool, Villa, West Ham, Sunderland & QPR's return on their outlay has been
It should also make people understand 4th next season isn't really a realistic expectation
SpurMeUp
Jimmy Cantrell
Considering the team that played most of the season Poch has done exceptionally well in his first season. He's not without reproach though. Our defending, especially considering he was a CB, and the way he ended up with a compromised playing philosophy, are questionable. But the team is something that evolves. A manager has to react to results and performances and that is what Poch has tried to do. Could he have set us up better at times from the first whistle to be better defensively? Yes probably. Was his playing philosophy lost at times adapting? Yes. We were playing a compromised pressing game - when its all or nothing. You either push up and the whole team press, or you retreat, get compact and break. At times we were doing neither well.
Enough of the questions. The outstanding positive is how Poch and his coaching team have developed players. If you'd looked at a team sheet before the season started, with Kane, Bentaleb, Mason, Dier, and Rose as key players, would you have thought, top half of the league? Or SRFs (Gutter boy knows)?
The obvious challenge over the summer is 1) shift a hefty amount of wages and 2) recruit players who can be 'first on the team sheet' players. We don't need squad players. We have plenty - the unsold and the youth players. The big question is: how do you do what Spurs have done well with in the past - speculate on players with potential - while improving the first team?
Enough of the questions. The outstanding positive is how Poch and his coaching team have developed players. If you'd looked at a team sheet before the season started, with Kane, Bentaleb, Mason, Dier, and Rose as key players, would you have thought, top half of the league? Or SRFs (Gutter boy knows)?
The obvious challenge over the summer is 1) shift a hefty amount of wages and 2) recruit players who can be 'first on the team sheet' players. We don't need squad players. We have plenty - the unsold and the youth players. The big question is: how do you do what Spurs have done well with in the past - speculate on players with potential - while improving the first team?
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SpurMeUp
Jimmy Cantrell
Yes true. Maybe the new German signing can be more dynamic. We need a settled defence. The back 4 were in flux most of the season. I have the idea that Wimmer will suit Poch. A player possibly in his own mould.
How Poch approaches the press vs tight defensive midfield and defence working as one, next season will be interesting. There are not many teams that can press all game, over a season. The Chavski set-up seems better - a strong defensive formation without space for the opposition to play in the final third. From that foundation, you can press, or just sit tight. Will we be dynamic next season, moving from a high press to a tight defensive formation within one game - adapting to how the game unfolds?
monkeybarry
Ian Walker
Indeed, so close and yet so far...
Villa, QPR and the bingo club, hold your heads in shame
Mauricio Pochettino has admitted that he is still hoping to strengthen his squad before the transfer window closes at the end of the month.
Spurs have cleared out some of their unwanted players and bolstered their defence with the captures of Toby Alderweireld, Keiran Trippier and Kevin Wimmer but Pochettino has already admitted he would like to add to his forward options.
Roberto Soldado has been linked with a return to Spain and Emmanuel Adebayor could still move to Aston Villa - exits for that pair would leave Harry Kane as Tottenham's only senior striker.
However, the Tottenham head coach refused to be drawn on whether he has made a move for West Brom striker Berahino who has been linked with a move to White Hart Lane in widespread newspaper reports.
He said: "I think you know we need to bring some players. We work very hard for that. But always if we bring some player, the player who can help our squad is welcome."
Regarding Berahino, he added: "I never speak about rumours. If you check in the last few weeks, a lot of names are linked with us. But this is private, our target and I hope it can happen quick.
"I think our philosophy is to mix. To have the balance in between the young and the experienced player. I think our philosophy, our idea and it is good for the club and the future."
Pochettino also insisted Mousa Dembele has a future at White Hart Lane despite reports linking him with a move away from the club.
"Yes, he's in my plans, Dembele," said Pochettino, whose team begin the Premier League season at Manchester United on Saturday lunchtime,despite a late return from the Audi Cup in Germany.
"I think we need to try to provide him (with a platform) to show his real quality here. It's true the last season was difficult for him, but (not) only was it difficult for him at Tottenham - with his national team too.
"It's for that reason we need to try to provide him the best position on the pitch or try to find the best position for him, to show the quality that he has.
"We don't have doubts but if he doesn't play, [others believe we have] doubts. I think it is all about football. We need to try stuff to help every player and Mousa is another player we need to help to try to give him the chance of giving his best when he has the facility to play.
"Manchester United away is not an easy start. It is never easy in the Premier League and all games are difficult.
"For us it is better to start with Manchester United at Old Trafford. We have experience. We arrive from Munich and played Real Madrid and AC Milan, so we are fit to compete."
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...tino-hoping-to-strengthen-his-tottenham-squad
Spurs have cleared out some of their unwanted players and bolstered their defence with the captures of Toby Alderweireld, Keiran Trippier and Kevin Wimmer but Pochettino has already admitted he would like to add to his forward options.
Roberto Soldado has been linked with a return to Spain and Emmanuel Adebayor could still move to Aston Villa - exits for that pair would leave Harry Kane as Tottenham's only senior striker.
However, the Tottenham head coach refused to be drawn on whether he has made a move for West Brom striker Berahino who has been linked with a move to White Hart Lane in widespread newspaper reports.
He said: "I think you know we need to bring some players. We work very hard for that. But always if we bring some player, the player who can help our squad is welcome."
Regarding Berahino, he added: "I never speak about rumours. If you check in the last few weeks, a lot of names are linked with us. But this is private, our target and I hope it can happen quick.
"I think our philosophy is to mix. To have the balance in between the young and the experienced player. I think our philosophy, our idea and it is good for the club and the future."
Pochettino also insisted Mousa Dembele has a future at White Hart Lane despite reports linking him with a move away from the club.
"Yes, he's in my plans, Dembele," said Pochettino, whose team begin the Premier League season at Manchester United on Saturday lunchtime,despite a late return from the Audi Cup in Germany.
"I think we need to try to provide him (with a platform) to show his real quality here. It's true the last season was difficult for him, but (not) only was it difficult for him at Tottenham - with his national team too.
"It's for that reason we need to try to provide him the best position on the pitch or try to find the best position for him, to show the quality that he has.
"We don't have doubts but if he doesn't play, [others believe we have] doubts. I think it is all about football. We need to try stuff to help every player and Mousa is another player we need to help to try to give him the chance of giving his best when he has the facility to play.
"Manchester United away is not an easy start. It is never easy in the Premier League and all games are difficult.
"For us it is better to start with Manchester United at Old Trafford. We have experience. We arrive from Munich and played Real Madrid and AC Milan, so we are fit to compete."
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...tino-hoping-to-strengthen-his-tottenham-squad
Gazzasrightboot
Pascal Chimbonda
I have to say that I like Poch's style.
milo
Jack L. Jones
Seconded. He's a class act.
Maltese Falcon
Niko Kranjcar
Some natives are getting restless....
'SAFE' POCHETTINO WILL BE GONE BY DECEMBER
August 09, 2015 / Ben Harris
Spurs losing at Old Trafford is hardly a 'stop the press' moment, but perhaps Mauricio Pochettino's lack of killer instinct is!!
Aside from a promising opening twenty minutes yesterday lunch time, this Spurs performance was a carbon copy of what was served up the whole of last season. Safe, predictable and ultimately toothless!
Most will point to an unremarkable transfer window thus far and an obvious lack of urgency in signing at least one new striker and although that view is completly valid, I believe Spurs' bigger issue is the mentality of the manager, his reluctance to open his team up and his lack of ability to adapt to the game in front of him!!
We could've had seven strikers sat on the bench yesterday. The truth of the matter is Pochettino would've still played with just one!!
Manchester United were there for the taking. Louis van Gaal will wake up this morning, thankful it was Spurs his unconvincing side had the fortune to come up against on the opening day. Another team, another manger and I think you're looking at another result!.
Why was Kyle Walker on the pitch? You've recruited a superior player in Kieran Trippier in all aspects of his game. Superior defender, superior on the ball and superior delivery!!
He leaves our record signing on the bench in favour of Moussa Dembele, who clearly is better deployd through the middle of the park, to occupy an inverted wide-right role!! I'm no fan of Erik Lamela either, but if you're going to persist with the guy, surely you play him in a position he's at the very least comfortable in!?
The stand-out performer in Spurs THREE pre-season matches was Dele Alli. Young, hungry and with a swagger beyond his years. A player briming with confidence off the back of teaching the excellent Luka Modric a thing or two about a nut-meg - is left out in favour of a centre half [Eric Dier] trying his best to be Claude Makelele!!
It's history repeating itself. Remember AVB... of course you do, how could you forget!?
The similarities between Pochettino and Villas-Boas aren't just coincidental. Both have the inability to adapt to what's happening in front of them. Both are transfixed on a possession based style that offers no cutting edge. Both refuse to open up the pitch and use wide players. Both are too regimented in their footballing philosophies and both lack the ability to deal with egos, whilst in-turn failing to get the best from their senior players.
Both will also have similar durations as Spurs head coach, unless the current incumbent starts to adapt his style, to suit that of the club he leads!!
The 'it's not his team yet' argument is wearing very thin now too. The clue is very much in the Argentine's job title 'Head Coach'
Pochettino has been in his role for over a year. His original brief was to coach an expensive group of underachievers and make them better. He hasn't!
[like AVB] Pochettino has been totally reliant on one man. Harry Kane has taken the mantel of Gareth Bale with the perfect timing we've all come to expect.
Compare the impact of Pochettino to that of Alan Pardew at Crystal Palace. In half the time, Pardew has managed to turn relegation fodder into a hard working disciplined side with width, plenty of pace, a creative spark in the centre of the pitch and options in attack. All on a budget and all from an unfashionable club and manger.
It's for the very same reasons, Pardew's Palace will exceed their potential, that Pochettino's Spurs will fail to live up to theirs!
Fortune favours the brave... and some decent coaching!!
'SAFE' POCHETTINO WILL BE GONE BY DECEMBER
August 09, 2015 / Ben Harris
Spurs losing at Old Trafford is hardly a 'stop the press' moment, but perhaps Mauricio Pochettino's lack of killer instinct is!!
Aside from a promising opening twenty minutes yesterday lunch time, this Spurs performance was a carbon copy of what was served up the whole of last season. Safe, predictable and ultimately toothless!
Most will point to an unremarkable transfer window thus far and an obvious lack of urgency in signing at least one new striker and although that view is completly valid, I believe Spurs' bigger issue is the mentality of the manager, his reluctance to open his team up and his lack of ability to adapt to the game in front of him!!
We could've had seven strikers sat on the bench yesterday. The truth of the matter is Pochettino would've still played with just one!!
Manchester United were there for the taking. Louis van Gaal will wake up this morning, thankful it was Spurs his unconvincing side had the fortune to come up against on the opening day. Another team, another manger and I think you're looking at another result!.
Why was Kyle Walker on the pitch? You've recruited a superior player in Kieran Trippier in all aspects of his game. Superior defender, superior on the ball and superior delivery!!
He leaves our record signing on the bench in favour of Moussa Dembele, who clearly is better deployd through the middle of the park, to occupy an inverted wide-right role!! I'm no fan of Erik Lamela either, but if you're going to persist with the guy, surely you play him in a position he's at the very least comfortable in!?
The stand-out performer in Spurs THREE pre-season matches was Dele Alli. Young, hungry and with a swagger beyond his years. A player briming with confidence off the back of teaching the excellent Luka Modric a thing or two about a nut-meg - is left out in favour of a centre half [Eric Dier] trying his best to be Claude Makelele!!
It's history repeating itself. Remember AVB... of course you do, how could you forget!?
The similarities between Pochettino and Villas-Boas aren't just coincidental. Both have the inability to adapt to what's happening in front of them. Both are transfixed on a possession based style that offers no cutting edge. Both refuse to open up the pitch and use wide players. Both are too regimented in their footballing philosophies and both lack the ability to deal with egos, whilst in-turn failing to get the best from their senior players.
Both will also have similar durations as Spurs head coach, unless the current incumbent starts to adapt his style, to suit that of the club he leads!!
The 'it's not his team yet' argument is wearing very thin now too. The clue is very much in the Argentine's job title 'Head Coach'
Pochettino has been in his role for over a year. His original brief was to coach an expensive group of underachievers and make them better. He hasn't!
[like AVB] Pochettino has been totally reliant on one man. Harry Kane has taken the mantel of Gareth Bale with the perfect timing we've all come to expect.
Compare the impact of Pochettino to that of Alan Pardew at Crystal Palace. In half the time, Pardew has managed to turn relegation fodder into a hard working disciplined side with width, plenty of pace, a creative spark in the centre of the pitch and options in attack. All on a budget and all from an unfashionable club and manger.
It's for the very same reasons, Pardew's Palace will exceed their potential, that Pochettino's Spurs will fail to live up to theirs!
Fortune favours the brave... and some decent coaching!!
Robspur12
John Lacy
Agreed.
Robspur12
John Lacy
I stand by my long held belief that we have the right man in charge. But the club have to support him better than we are doing at the moment. Just my opinion of course.
Robspur12
John Lacy
Toothless ? We had more shots on target despite being the away side, we matched a side that spent more on one of their defensive midfield trio than we did on all our transfers! We lost because we made a mistake and were punished. Awful, inaccurate reporting.
Maltese Falcon
Niko Kranjcar
I would agree - definitely think this guy Harris is way OTT
Having said that he does raise some points about the lack of flexibility and the apparent low impact of key coaching interventions - especially the pressing game.
Look at Utd pressing before Bentaleb's mistake... each player is perfectly positioned; that has been coached into them by Van Gaal. How often do you see us so solid?
Of course, it could be that the quality of players is that much better and they are more capable of doing this than we are.. but in that case, why persist with it?
Having said that he does raise some points about the lack of flexibility and the apparent low impact of key coaching interventions - especially the pressing game.
Look at Utd pressing before Bentaleb's mistake... each player is perfectly positioned; that has been coached into them by Van Gaal. How often do you see us so solid?
Of course, it could be that the quality of players is that much better and they are more capable of doing this than we are.. but in that case, why persist with it?
Robspur12
John Lacy
How much did they pay for that defensive midfield trio? Whereas we had a 21 year old bentaleb and a young centre back. Hardly a fair comparison. I thought at times we pressed them well high up the pitch e.g when dembele won the ball off schneiderlin. It's just we were not clinical with our chances? Poch wants to instill a style of play. Nothing wrong with that but it will take time.