• Dear Guest, Please note that adult content is not permitted on this forum. We have had our Google ads disabled at times due to some posts that were found from some time ago. Please do not post adult content and if you see any already on the forum, please report the post so that we can deal with it. Adult content is allowed in the glory hole - you will have to request permission to access it. Thanks, scara

Mauricio Pochettino - Sacked

What is it that you do by the way?

I am thankful that most of my investors (many of which are extremely successful and wealthy) didn’t abandon me in a bad year after several good ones.

I work in the "joyous" connection point between technology and financial services, where both my employer and clients are in the biggest in the world. I have had my continued career be reliant on the outcome of single result several times and most years failure by even a small margin would mean looking for a new job. I have seen many talented people and people I respect be shown the door, I've also been in teams where I'm the last man standing. I think the misconception from some people is I "like" this model or I wanted Poch gone, it's more I've seen it, repeatedly.

Personally I hope Poch takes a break, that kind of pressure can be soul damaging.
 
I work in the "joyous" connection point between technology and financial services, where both my employer and clients are in the biggest in the world. I have had my continued career be reliant on the outcome of single result several times and most years failure by even a small margin would mean looking for a new job. I have seen many talented people and people I respect be shown the door, I've also been in teams where I'm the last man standing. I think the misconception from some people is I "like" this model or I wanted Poch gone, it's more I've seen it, repeatedly.

Personally I hope Poch takes a break, that kind of pressure can be soul damaging.
Connection point?.... Sales? Sales support? Relationship Manger? Support Manager?
 
Pochettinos mate has his say:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50483190

I was convinced Mauricio Pochettino was not going to quit Tottenham but his future was not in his hands and, although I cannot understand many of the reasons behind his sacking, it has also felt like the end of the road for a while.

And, in a way, it may feel like a liberation for him and his coaching staff.

Pochettino is a fighter and wanted to continue fighting, but in the end whether he stayed or went was always going to depend on the club. He has paid the price for recent results, results which are the consequence of a decay of the squad predicted by the Argentine 18 months ago.

For more than a year now he has been trying to manage some difficult situations at Spurs, and 18 defeats in 2019 tells you a story which goes beyond what happened this season.

You could see that it would not end well unless things changed properly at the club in the summer - and big time. But they really didn't.

At the heart of it all is the two transfer windows from the end of January 2018 until the summer of 2019 when they did not sign anyone.

Pochettino had warned the club what was happening and chairman Daniel Levy decided it wasn't the time to invest in new players because his priority has been to be in the top four with minimum spend.

Pochettino, who was not asking for more money but quick and clever resolutions in the market, couldn't do the job to the best of his abilities.

It meant a change in the dynamic of the relationship between the two most pivotal men at the club.

When they first met each other and began working together they didn't fully understand each other's ideas of exactly what kind of club they both wanted, but then after a well-documented trip to Argentina there was much more synergy. Levy understood what Pochettino wanted and Pochettino knew the limits he had to work with.

But it got to the point that when the recycling of the squad wasn't forthcoming, that synergy wasn't continued and there was a logical frustration on Pochettino's side.

I wouldn't say the pair are friends as such - there was a professional relationship but it became clear the priorities for both men started being different. A new stadium should mean a more ambitious club, the manager thought. But Levy did not move an inch from the club intentions.

Maybe Pochettino should have left in the summer but that was never going to happen. If Levy did not think there was a way back or out, the only solution was to get rid of him and his coaching staff.

The compensation will be more than the £12m reported, as he and the five members of his coaching staff have more than three years left on their contracts.

Levy was clearly not scared of that and bringing a new leader to a project that cannot compete in the short or medium term with the richest clubs in the country. It obviously does not faze him.

There has been talk of player discontent but I don't think Pochettino lost the dressing room.

He took a couple of steps back from certain situations because in some cases he could not punish or replace players as there was nobody to replace them with.

But the same faces and the same voices do create erosion after a while. To reproduce what Spurs did between 2015 and 2018, the best version of the team, players had to come and go, and the club either did not agree with some movements or could not get rid of players.

Everyone can see that Spurs getting to the Champions League final in June was a miracle, maximising the potential of a side that was already on the decline.

You have heard the likes of Harry Kane asking for more from the players, frustrated because things that had been learned were abandoned.

But things were not happening and performances were not the best, for different reasons.

Some players were attracted to other clubs and distracted, while others had reached their potential and have declined, but are still around. Spurs are not sacking him because the players asked for it or the relationship deteriorated. Nothing of the sort.

This is a board decision based on a professional relationship where, between Pochettino and Levy, there was not much more to say to each other.

It was a divorce that many people can relate to - it gets to the point where what else can you say, how can it improve? You know what you want to do but you're not heard anymore.

Pochettino's next step, I think, will be to rest. This period has been very demanding.

He and his coaching staff know options will open up for them once they return home. He has admirers at Bayern Munich, Juventus and Real Madrid.

But one of the things that stopped him going anywhere before now is the fact there was compensation to pay.

Real and Juve have considered him but having to negotiate a price for his services with Levy put them off.

Generally when a sacking happens the club can add a clause in which they stop the manager going to certain teams. In exchange for a big compensation, could Levy add that he doesn't go to Chelsea, Arsenal or Manchester United?

United did want him when they appointed Jose Mourinho but they are backing Ole Gunnar Solskjaer strongly, so that option seems gone for now.

Like the last day of the best summer, it feels like Spurs have left behind a romance that will be unforgettable, but that could not be taken into autumn.


As opposed to the numerous pieces running for weeks if not months from Jose's 'mates' in press openly courting poch job.
It happens, on all sides, let's not kid ourselves.
Poch has his reputation to protect as well, reverse the roles do you think almost 24 hours after being sacked and replaced we still wouldn't have had Jose out throwing everyone under a bus?
 
As opposed to the numerous pieces running for weeks if not months from Jose's 'mates' in press openly courting poch job.
It happens, on all sides, let's not kid ourselves.
Poch has his reputation to protect as well, reverse the roles do you think almost 24 hours after being sacked and replaced we still wouldn't have had Jose out throwing everyone under a bus?

I made no judgement whatsoever on the piece, not sure what prompted this response. I take it things are still pretty raw for you?
 
I made no judgement whatsoever on the piece, not sure what prompted this response. I take it things are still pretty raw for you?
Yes it is, and apologies if I've taken it wrong, the use his mate made it seem like a excuses article. No issue with you, its all moving so fast on here I'm not even sure who I'm replying to half the time.
I can understand poch being sacked, I don't agree and I don't like, but kind of understand.
The Jose bit, no I don't understand.
Best description I've heard today is that it's like dumping the good looking 22 year old everyone is desperate to shag for her cranky old aunt every one has shagged and dumped.

I was giving it a day or so before pm you to say I was wrong with my theory, I wasn't dodging it, honest
 
Yes it is, and apologies if I've taken it wrong, the use his mate made it seem like a excuses article. No issue with you, its all moving so fast on here I'm not even sure who I'm replying to half the time.
I can understand poch being sacked, I don't agree and I don't like, but kind of understand.
The Jose bit, no I don't understand.
Best description I've heard today is that it's like dumping the good looking 22 year old everyone is desperate to shag for her cranky old aunt every one has shagged and dumped.

I was giving it a day or so before pm you to say I was wrong with my theory, I wasn't dodging it, honest

Ha! No problem mate, and a pm is welcome any time.

I meant nothing by it, I tend to refer to Balague as Pochs mate regularly. He is obviously the Poch mouthpiece isnt he? That was all, no intent otherwise.
 
Ha! No problem mate, and a pm is welcome any time.

I meant nothing by it, I tend to refer to Balague as Pochs mate regularly. He is obviously the Poch mouthpiece isnt he? That was all, no intent otherwise.


So I've read, and as he ghost wrote the book it would seem so.
I tend not to read the press tbh, I watch, observe and make my own judgement. Most of them are talking rot IMHO, and Bala whatsit does not seem any different.
Many will say I talk rot as well, but at least its my rot :).
The pm was just a I was wrong, I don't think there's much more I can say.
I would love to know more about what happened, pick it apart, understand it, but that's me, I'm like that with everything.
Human dynamics fascinate me, often gets me into trouble :oops:
 
i think the last thing I can say on this subject is simply to say that this isn’t like Jol. I see why people say it - sad times after a Manager brought us some great memories but wasn’t the right man to take us forward. But Poch is going to go to a bigger club than us. Jol never could.

so it is all a bit sad. I still don’t think it needed to be this way. We could have backed the man that backed us when he didn’t need to, and made the changes he was calling for for years. But anyway, it doesn’t matter now. If Jose is a changed man, great. But I think I’ll always be gutted it didn’t work out with Poch, I really wanted it to be him.
 
Quote from Dembele, not anti-Poch but interesting player viewpoint

On training with Pochettino

Such daily exertion took its toll on Dembele, a graceful midfielder who felt the effects each time he drove out the training ground. It's quite intense, he says. That is one of the reasons for me to leave Tottenham ” not because they are not good but because its very intense and they ask for 200 per cent every day. When you have a bit of pain or a bit of injury it is not easy.

I think if my body was still like I was at 25 I would continue but I felt my body was not the same as before in the Premier League. It was a bit too much and I said after this I am going to do something else, a different experience. Then China came in and, for me, this was perfect.

It wasn't perfect for Pochettino, though. Dembele had knocked on the door of the manager's office the previous year, in the winter of 2017, and said he was ready to leave. I told him now maybe I am interested to go to a different team, a different country and he said, OK, but at the moment we need you. Pochettino asked for six months; Dembele gave him a year.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...so-intense-i-had-to-leave-tottenham-8p73bhwrz
 
I think this is a very fair appraisal and suspect Nigey would agree. Nigey - you did nail your colours hard and you were vociferous, prompting vociferous responses at times with me being a prime example. The nature of debate I suppose. I agree that now it has happened we all need to move on, but I will find it very difficult simply due to the long-term damage I believe has been done; now there’s something I hope I am very wrong about!!!!

It was kind of fair.

I don’t personally feel I deserved some of the things I got thrown my way.

vociferous maybe, I try and write with passion more so when things really matter to me.

what I think some don’t understand is that a lot of my anger came from the fact I was a massive fan of his but felt let down by some of his choices...

choices I did point out would lead us to this point and I was roundly mocked for saying that.

I hope you can forgive and move on because I can, and I personally am prepared to let water trickle under the bridge.

No lasting damage on my side and I’d finish by saying that managers come and go, yet we are bound by spurs forever...

we can and we will move on from all this.
 
Redknapp (Who seems to have been proved right on a lot) seems to think Mopo thought he had the United job in the bag and has been sulking since.
 
It was kind of fair.

I don’t personally feel I deserved some of the things I got thrown my way.

vociferous maybe, I try and write with passion more so when things really matter to me.

what I think some don’t understand is that a lot of my anger came from the fact I was a massive fan of his but felt let down by some of his choices...

choices I did point out would lead us to this point and I was roundly mocked for saying that.

I hope you can forgive and move on because I can, and I personally am prepared to let water trickle under the bridge.

No lasting damage on my side and I’d finish by saying that managers come and go, yet we are bound by spurs forever...

we can and we will move on from all this.
You were right all along. I am very pleased for you.
 
From Twitter: "As a side note and it’s not up for debate I’m very uncomfortable with how Poch’s dismissal was handled. You don’t ‘magic’ up Jose Mourinho and his complete backroom staff in 11 hours. Anyway, we move on. Won’t forget Pochettino. Forever grateful."
 
From Twitter: "As a side note and it’s not up for debate I’m very uncomfortable with how Poch’s dismissal was handled. You don’t ‘magic’ up Jose Mourinho and his complete backroom staff in 11 hours. Anyway, we move on. Won’t forget Pochettino. Forever grateful."


Who is that from?
 
Back