markysimmo
Johnny nice-tits
According to stats he isnt in the top 10 GKs in the PL currently hahahahhaahhahahahahahahahaah er ok then
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Hugo Lloris
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inkpenspur
Allan Nielsen
I find that frankly bizarre! Not even in the top ten WALOB!
milo
Jack L. Jones
Which stats and whose analysis of them?
Modric THFC
Jimmy McCormick
http://www.theguardian.com/football...ham-hugo-lloris-premier-league-sweeper-keeper
Tottenham's Hugo Lloris is Premier League's supreme sweeper-keeper
by Jonathan Wilson
There was a moment during the first half of Tottenham Hotspur's 1-0 win over Everton on Sunday when Steven Pienaar, drifting in from the left, sought out the run of Kevin Mirallas, cutting in from the right. He played what probably seemed a well-weighted through ball, only for a flash of orange to materialise to stifle the danger almost before it had gestated. The moment went largely unnoticed, particularly by comparison with the diving save he made from Leon Osman's early drive, but this was Hugo Lloris at his best.
When things began to go awry under André Villas-Boas, Lloris's confidence seemed to be as badly hit as anybody's. His mistake in the first minute away to Emirates Marketing Project, gifting a goal to Jesús Navas, was arguably the moment at which the Villas-Boas regime imploded. Even on Sunday, there was one ill-judged pass to Michael Dawson that led to an Everton chance, but generally his form appears slowly to be returning.
That's the problem with goalkeeping in general and Lloris's way of playing in particular – hours of competence can be undermined by one slip and much of what is best goes unremarked upon. Peter Shilton claimed that in some of his best games for Nottingham Forest he hardly touched the ball but he knew he was shutting off attacks at source with his positioning and his organisation of the defence. Although Lloris can pull off the spectacular, his key skill is arguably leaving his line quickly to mop up behind the defence – or, even more significantly, being known to be quick off his line and so dissuading opponents from trying to slide passes behind the defence; which when one of your central defenders is as slow in the turn as Dawson, is a huge advantage.
Dawson's lack of pace, presumably, was why Villas-Boas initially wanted to sell him as he tried to impose his high line – and also why he signed Lloris in the first place. The goal Spurs conceded at home to Saudi Sportswashing Machine this season was in part the result of the lack of pace off his line of Brad Friedel, deputising for Lloris, who had been concussed at Everton.
Opta's statistics (not including the midweek fixtures) show clearly where Lloris's strength lies. Although he has saved only 67.31% of shots hit at him this season, which ranks him 23rd of the 34 goalkeepers to have played in the Premier League this season, he has successfully swept up behind his defence 33 times, more than anybody apart from Saudi Sportswashing Machine's Tim Krul (39).
When Lloris arrived from Lyon in the summer of 2012 he quickly became aware that he played differently to the majority of Premier League keepers. "In England there is a lot of contact in the box, a lot of quality crosses," he said. "A lot of presence too. Here, the keeper is less protected than in France or in European competitions. It is important to know to fight, notably on corners. I have always heard I am not strong enough, I didn't have the right body for that league. That is no trouble to me, as long as you know your body and your qualities and drawbacks.
"Since I have been in England I didn't rush into bodybuilding. I have gone on working as I did in France but adapting to the different approach of the keeper's position. I always had a risky game. I have always tried to control my box and even a bit further away. I want to be the boss of the area, then, sometimes you get success, sometimes not."
As such, Lloris stands as the modern exponent of a strand of goalkeeping stretching back into the great Hungarian Gyula Grosics. After the Football Association restricted goalkeepers to handling in their own box (as opposed to their own half) in 1912, goalkeepers tended to hang back, coming off their lines to narrow the angle but little more. Grosics, the keeper when Hungary beat England 6-3 at Wembley in 1953, began to change that – at one point in that game, he kicks a ball clear right on the 18-yard line, something that drew gasps of astonishment from the commentator Kenneth Wolstenholme.
Apostol Sokolov, Lev Yashin and Amadeo Carrizo took the notion further, while in England the first real exponent of the sweeper-keeper's art was Liverpool's Tommy Lawrence. Nicknamed the Flying Pig for the way he would charge from his line, his willingness to act as an additional defender allowed Liverpool to play with what was, for the time, an aggressively high offside line. It was the Ajax of Rinus Michels who took the concept to its extremes, though, their hard pressing demanding a goalkeeper who could fill the space behind the defensive line. "If everybody moves forward," Johan Cruyff explained, "you need an extra defender, so the goalkeeper has to be able to play as well."
They found the ideal man in Heinz Stuy, the keeper for each of their three European Cup wins between 1971 and 1973. His ability to sweep behind the back four kept him in the side, despite a habit of dropping crosses as though they were a croquette that had just emerged from a deep fat fryer – earning him the nickname Heinz Kroket. As a coach, Cruyff remained adamant his goalkeeper had to be prepared to leave his line, to take risks. "You have to learn that the great fear of goalkeepers that they will be beaten by a ball lobbed over their head from the halfway line is not based in reality," he said. "If he plays like that, in the interests of the team, then it doesn't matter … if once in a while he doesn't save a high ball." [There is far more on this and other theories of goalkeeping in The Outsider.]
The likes of Edwin van der Sar and Víctor Valdés have taken the theory even further, functioning, as Cruyff demanded, not merely as a defender but at times almost as a playmaker. Lloris does not do that – just as well, given his pass completion rate this season is only 42.5% – but his pace off his line remains a major asset. It just has to be accepted that it comes with risk.
Tottenham's Hugo Lloris is Premier League's supreme sweeper-keeper
by Jonathan Wilson
There was a moment during the first half of Tottenham Hotspur's 1-0 win over Everton on Sunday when Steven Pienaar, drifting in from the left, sought out the run of Kevin Mirallas, cutting in from the right. He played what probably seemed a well-weighted through ball, only for a flash of orange to materialise to stifle the danger almost before it had gestated. The moment went largely unnoticed, particularly by comparison with the diving save he made from Leon Osman's early drive, but this was Hugo Lloris at his best.
When things began to go awry under André Villas-Boas, Lloris's confidence seemed to be as badly hit as anybody's. His mistake in the first minute away to Emirates Marketing Project, gifting a goal to Jesús Navas, was arguably the moment at which the Villas-Boas regime imploded. Even on Sunday, there was one ill-judged pass to Michael Dawson that led to an Everton chance, but generally his form appears slowly to be returning.
That's the problem with goalkeeping in general and Lloris's way of playing in particular – hours of competence can be undermined by one slip and much of what is best goes unremarked upon. Peter Shilton claimed that in some of his best games for Nottingham Forest he hardly touched the ball but he knew he was shutting off attacks at source with his positioning and his organisation of the defence. Although Lloris can pull off the spectacular, his key skill is arguably leaving his line quickly to mop up behind the defence – or, even more significantly, being known to be quick off his line and so dissuading opponents from trying to slide passes behind the defence; which when one of your central defenders is as slow in the turn as Dawson, is a huge advantage.
Dawson's lack of pace, presumably, was why Villas-Boas initially wanted to sell him as he tried to impose his high line – and also why he signed Lloris in the first place. The goal Spurs conceded at home to Saudi Sportswashing Machine this season was in part the result of the lack of pace off his line of Brad Friedel, deputising for Lloris, who had been concussed at Everton.
Opta's statistics (not including the midweek fixtures) show clearly where Lloris's strength lies. Although he has saved only 67.31% of shots hit at him this season, which ranks him 23rd of the 34 goalkeepers to have played in the Premier League this season, he has successfully swept up behind his defence 33 times, more than anybody apart from Saudi Sportswashing Machine's Tim Krul (39).
When Lloris arrived from Lyon in the summer of 2012 he quickly became aware that he played differently to the majority of Premier League keepers. "In England there is a lot of contact in the box, a lot of quality crosses," he said. "A lot of presence too. Here, the keeper is less protected than in France or in European competitions. It is important to know to fight, notably on corners. I have always heard I am not strong enough, I didn't have the right body for that league. That is no trouble to me, as long as you know your body and your qualities and drawbacks.
"Since I have been in England I didn't rush into bodybuilding. I have gone on working as I did in France but adapting to the different approach of the keeper's position. I always had a risky game. I have always tried to control my box and even a bit further away. I want to be the boss of the area, then, sometimes you get success, sometimes not."
As such, Lloris stands as the modern exponent of a strand of goalkeeping stretching back into the great Hungarian Gyula Grosics. After the Football Association restricted goalkeepers to handling in their own box (as opposed to their own half) in 1912, goalkeepers tended to hang back, coming off their lines to narrow the angle but little more. Grosics, the keeper when Hungary beat England 6-3 at Wembley in 1953, began to change that – at one point in that game, he kicks a ball clear right on the 18-yard line, something that drew gasps of astonishment from the commentator Kenneth Wolstenholme.
Apostol Sokolov, Lev Yashin and Amadeo Carrizo took the notion further, while in England the first real exponent of the sweeper-keeper's art was Liverpool's Tommy Lawrence. Nicknamed the Flying Pig for the way he would charge from his line, his willingness to act as an additional defender allowed Liverpool to play with what was, for the time, an aggressively high offside line. It was the Ajax of Rinus Michels who took the concept to its extremes, though, their hard pressing demanding a goalkeeper who could fill the space behind the defensive line. "If everybody moves forward," Johan Cruyff explained, "you need an extra defender, so the goalkeeper has to be able to play as well."
They found the ideal man in Heinz Stuy, the keeper for each of their three European Cup wins between 1971 and 1973. His ability to sweep behind the back four kept him in the side, despite a habit of dropping crosses as though they were a croquette that had just emerged from a deep fat fryer – earning him the nickname Heinz Kroket. As a coach, Cruyff remained adamant his goalkeeper had to be prepared to leave his line, to take risks. "You have to learn that the great fear of goalkeepers that they will be beaten by a ball lobbed over their head from the halfway line is not based in reality," he said. "If he plays like that, in the interests of the team, then it doesn't matter … if once in a while he doesn't save a high ball." [There is far more on this and other theories of goalkeeping in The Outsider.]
The likes of Edwin van der Sar and Víctor Valdés have taken the theory even further, functioning, as Cruyff demanded, not merely as a defender but at times almost as a playmaker. Lloris does not do that – just as well, given his pass completion rate this season is only 42.5% – but his pace off his line remains a major asset. It just has to be accepted that it comes with risk.
Cochise
Steve Carr
Definately in the top 3 in the league for me. In fact I can't think of many I rate higher than him. The thing is most the goalies playing for the top teams don't have much to do because their defences and midfield protect them so well, whilst players like Begovic and Krul to name two get less protection so have a greater highlight reel.
glorygloryeze
Ian Walker
Has anyone realised that the Giroud-Lloris story released by the Mirror earlier in the week was just a distraction story to deflect from their pasting they got at Liverpool?
I bet that story is from about a year ago and was just 'on the shelf' for when times got desperate and they can use it to shift focus. I don't know who wrote the piece but the chief or one of the chief football writers at the Mirror, John Cross, is a big Gooner....
I bet that story is from about a year ago and was just 'on the shelf' for when times got desperate and they can use it to shift focus. I don't know who wrote the piece but the chief or one of the chief football writers at the Mirror, John Cross, is a big Gooner....
Lloris is the keeper version of King
Some defenders have to dive in front of balls, last minute blocks, etc. King didn't need to.
Lloris is capable of crazy saves, but as the article rightly points out, he stops so much **** from ever happening ...
SteveAWOL
Colin Calderwood
This. Although perhaps it's partly a fault of the team' set-up, as there rarely appears to be a short option for Hugo to pick out. I remember the pundits on MotD or MNF showing how Liverpool are so good at playing it out from the back so hopefully Sherwood is working on that aspect.
http://www.squawka.com/comparison-matrix
africanspurs
Justin Edinburgh
i dont know why we are sugar coating this
Lloris is very easily arguably the best keeper in this league.
go through all the 'top' keepers
Czech, mignolet, hart, begovic, krul, Boruc
there isnt a single name there that if you said ......"let swap" that i would say yes to
Lloris is very easily arguably the best keeper in this league.
go through all the 'top' keepers
Czech, mignolet, hart, begovic, krul, Boruc
there isnt a single name there that if you said ......"let swap" that i would say yes to
africanspurs
Justin Edinburgh
having said that....lloris will be gone this summer
I think we'll do well to hold on to him and Vertonghen in teh summer if we dont get CL. Pleased to see an article in teh telegraph this morning saying that we're looking to tie both of them down to longer deals
Gazza Dazzla
Chris Perry
Agreed
stinkfoot
Eidur Gudjohnsen
Absolutely. I would even go so far as to the rest of Europe.
I would not swap him for Neuer, Stekelenburg or Casillas either.
Im not so worried about Vertonghen this summer - i think he gets a bit over rated by some, in that i don't think he's quite on the radar of the elite clubs yet (Real, Barca, Bayern etc)
with Lloris being the French no.1 you can see that PSG/Monaco could potentially see it as a priority signing - if not this summer then soon enough. It may play in to our hands a bit that he may consider it good for his career/growth as a player if he sticks it out in England for more than two seasons before heading back to his home country. he's always come across very confident in himself and at the same time aware that there are things in which he needs to improve (the way he has spoken about the physicality of the EPL compared to other leagues for example) so he may see it better for himself to stick around here for a good two seasons or so more to become a better player
Rossi22
Pedro Mendes
Lemonade Money
Steffen Freund
That's what he said
He's from Nice though, so I don't think we have to worry about Monaco.