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Harry Kane MBE

Or a manager who is a poor judge of a player

Lingaard had a few decent games and wasnthe messiah suddenly but actually has gone back to being bang average

Henderson who is again functional player at best and found wanting against all the decent opposition he has played

Watching tonight we look miles better with Dier on

I will say that Alli has been poor though

Im not sold on him in this role for England. Playing off Kane is his best role I think but he’s doing a shift for the team here (It’s slightly better for Spurs as we have more of the ball). I’d like to see more late runs into the box. I think there’s only been 1 or 2 tonight.
 
Im not sold on him in this role for England. Playing off Kane is his best role I think but he’s doing a shift for the team here (It’s slightly better for Spurs as we have more of the ball). I’d like to see more late runs into the box. I think there’s only been 1 or 2 tonight.

I agree he should play up there
But tonight he has been really poor with his passing and decisions
Marginally better than Henderson who was our worst passer
 
I honestly think Henderson is bang average but runs around a lot

You put winks in there and Dier and you see a different dynamic

Kane is WC hence why you miss him with any drop off (and he has had chances tonight) but his service has been awful. He gets miles better service for us
Outside of Spurs fans most say that about Dier, bang average. Winks adds a different dynamic for sure, but I don’t think would make much difference whether it was Dier or Henderson playing there with him.

Kane is a top class goal scorer, but personally not convinced at him as being a World Class player which for me is someone really top bracket. He too often looks slow and cumbersome,even when he is scoring goals. In comparison to other strikers like Ronaldo and Augero who always look sharp and dangerous every time they get the ball Kane simply doesn’t. His goals stack up with the best because of his single mindedness, his exceptional penalty taking skills and his ability to never go hiding even when he misses chances and the name of the game for a striker is to score goals - but I don’t think he’s even a world class finisher. Feel free to hate, just my opinion and an unpopular one I’m sure....
 
Outside of Spurs fans most say that about Dier, bang average. Winks adds a different dynamic for sure, but I don’t think would make much difference whether it was Dier or Henderson playing there with him.

Kane is a top class goal scorer, but personally not convinced at him as being a World Class player which for me is someone really top bracket. He too often looks slow and cumbersome,even when he is scoring goals. In comparison to other strikers like Ronaldo and Augero who always look sharp and dangerous every time they get the ball Kane simply doesn’t. His goals stack up with the best because of his single mindedness, his exceptional penalty taking skills and his ability to never go hiding even when he misses chances and the name of the game for a striker is to score goals - but I don’t think he’s even a world class finisher. Feel free to hate, just my opinion and an unpopular one I’m sure....

I’d say kane is the best finisher in the world personally and I agree 100% his single minded ness is exceptional

And I agree people at other clubs don’t rate Dier as highly as some spurs fans. Hell I know plenty spurs who don’t rate him, but their wrong, plain and simple. He makes the creative players tick like Makalele used too... you notice when their not there, not when they are

I will add I know plenty of fans of other clubs who think Henderson is awful too. I thought he had a great World Cup but he is not the answer for a top side
 
I’d say kane is the best finisher in the world personally and I agree 400% his single minded ness is exceptional

And I agree people at other clubs don’t rate Dier as highly as some spurs fans. Hell I know plenty spurs who don’t rate him, but their wrong, plain and simple. He makes the creative players tick like Makalele used too... you notice when their not there, not when they are

I will add I know plenty of fans of other clubs who think Henderson is awful too. I thought he had a great World Cup but he is not the answer for a top side
My point was you probably don’t see what Henderson does for Liverpool in the same way others wouldn’t see what Dier does for us, I think they’re about same level to be honest but Henderson was definitely the better player last season. Dier has time on his side to improve though.

I don’t think Kane is the best finisher in the world, but I don’t really care he’s my favourite Spurs player ever - or maybe Bale actually....
 
My point was you probably don’t see what Henderson does for Liverpool in the same way others wouldn’t see what Dier does for us, I think they’re about same level to be honest but Henderson was definitely the better player last season. Dier has time on his side to improve though.

I don’t think Kane is the best finisher in the world, but I don’t really care he’s my favourite Spurs player ever - or maybe Bale actually....

I saw plenty of pool. It’s posh longball and hit you on the counter football

It doesn’t work for England as we don’t have whippets chasing things down

Henderson’s poor passes can look half decent if the lad chasing them is faster than the defenders

It’s why Henderson possibly looked better but again I’d argue Dier was massively under rated by fans in what was a bloody decent season

I saw people crying out for Shelvey to get a chance off the back of looking half decent in a mediocre side. He got more cards than assists which says it all for me
 
Outside of Spurs fans most say that about Dier, bang average. Winks adds a different dynamic for sure, but I don’t think would make much difference whether it was Dier or Henderson playing there with him.

Kane is a top class goal scorer, but personally not convinced at him as being a World Class player which for me is someone really top bracket. He too often looks slow and cumbersome,even when he is scoring goals. In comparison to other strikers like Ronaldo and Augero who always look sharp and dangerous every time they get the ball Kane simply doesn’t. His goals stack up with the best because of his single mindedness, his exceptional penalty taking skills and his ability to never go hiding even when he misses chances and the name of the game for a striker is to score goals - but I don’t think he’s even a world class finisher. Feel free to hate, just my opinion and an unpopular one I’m sure....
Suspect we'd all agree that Kane is far from being the most stylish. But you know the old saying, handsome is as handsome does; it's the end product that counts. So by that measure - the only one that really matters - he surely has to be regarded as world class.
 
I saw plenty of pool. It’s posh longball and hit you on the counter football

It doesn’t work for England as we don’t have whippets chasing things down

Henderson’s poor passes can look half decent if the lad chasing them is faster than the defenders

It’s why Henderson possibly looked better but again I’d argue Dier was massively under rated by fans in what was a bloody decent season

I saw people crying out for Shelvey to get a chance off the back of looking half decent in a mediocre side. He got more cards than assists which says it all for me
Hmmm I’d disagree on your Liverpool comments but no need to make this thread about them. I just hope Kane gets up to speed soon, I don’t ever remember him looking so off colour for such a long period....
 
Suspect we'd all agree that Kane is far from being the most stylish. But you know the old saying, handsome is as handsome does; it's the end product that counts. So by that measure - the only one that really matters - he surely has to be regarded as world class.
For sure, but it all depends on your definition of world class which is why there’s always disagreements on these subjects. He’s a top class goal scorer, but for me being World Class means you have that little bit extra. In this generation that is Ronaldo and Messi, I’d say Augero would have been around that mark too if not for his injuries and for me Kane is t quite yet - but that’s just me and my own perception of what being world class is....
 
For sure, but it all depends on your definition of world class which is why there’s always disagreements on these subjects. He’s a top class goal scorer, but for me being World Class means you have that little bit extra. In this generation that is Ronaldo and Messi, I’d say Augero would have been around that mark too if not for his injuries and for me Kane is t quite yet - but that’s just me and my own perception of what being world class is....
If only Kane's numbers were similar to Ronaldo and Messi, or better than Aguero.
 
If only Kane's numbers were similar to Ronaldo and Messi, or better than Aguero.
They offer much more than just scoring goals that’s the point and why Messi and Ronaldo are genuinely world class and freaks. You trying to tell me Kane is at the same level as either of them? Not for me....
 
They offer much more than just scoring goals that’s the point and why Messi and Ronaldo are genuinely world class and freaks. You trying to tell me Kane is at the same level as either of them? Not for me....

But he does offer more

Hence why not only has he been scoring (despite being virtually dead on his feet according to some) he has also arguably been our best passer in most game. His all round game is so much more than just the goals he scores
 
Stop it! Worried about what? That he’s just a 4 season wonder and it’s all over now?

He’s just not quite on it yet, still scores goals for us and won the golden boot for England though.
Well, there are two ways of looking at it. You can recognise his movement is laboured and his touch is off, and the other way.
 
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