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Frank Give him time or get rid?

Thomas Frank give him time or get rid?

  • Give him until the summer

  • Give him until Christmas

  • Get rid now

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I went for give him the season, up until last night I was of the view that with the league being so tight with a good window and a run of form we could fly up the league.
Now I think we'll be lucky to be 14th come the end of season but nowhere close to relegation.
 
I feel massively disillusioned at the moment. I feel as if we are so far down the pecking order for transfers. I see us stumble and fall to defeat and poor performance week by week. There appears little in the way of hope oh and further injuries keep occurring.

A lot of this gets put on Thomas Frank. He is held responsible for our poor results and performance. Unfortunately it’s almost a chicken and egg situation as to who is really to blame. Is it him? Or is he struggling to get a tune out of a disjointed team, weak in key areas and low in confidence.

We need a sense of belief. We need a sense of positive direction. We need exciting transfers that show that we aren’t falling behind. Eight months ago, the future seemed cautiously optimistic. We had won the Europa League, we had qualified for the Champions League. Sure our league form was awful, but that was just because of sacrifice for winning in Europe. Right? Right?

So do I blame Thomas Frank now? Yes as our performances have been poor. But does he get full blame? Absolutely not. Those above him must take responsibility. They have the ability and resources to bring true talent to the club, to show that Levy going heralded in a new dawn and what the fudge are they doing?! Seems like they’re sat on their hands right now as our closest transfer link appears to be a Brazilian kid who is unlikely to be ready for the league yet no matter how much of a star he may well be in future.

We need to find belief, we need something or it feels like we will fall further and further behind becoming more disillusioned with every step down the ladder.
 
I’ve voted to let him see the season out. Whenever you get a new manager the season is always a transition in my eyes, so I think that he deserves to see it through. The style of play for the majority of the season doesn’t sit well with me, but I know that is purely my preference and by no means right.

Last night was hard to take, but easier to take than the Brentford performance for me. I’m purely speaking about the performance when I say that and not the result. Last night I could at times see a plan I could get behind, signs of a team gelling that I’ve hoped to have seen much earlier in Frank’s tenure. I could most definitely see a team of players willing to fight. That makes me think the players back him. Maybe I’m deluded in thinking that, but maybe we’re so starved of anything other than the horseshoe tactic that I’m clutching at straws.

Right now, however, Frank just needs results. Anything less than 6 points in the next 2 league games and I think it mat be too late to turn it around for him. As I’ve mentioned in other threads though, we just don’t know how ENIC will act. Will he backed in January? Will they plan to keep the money for a new manager in the summer and another rebuild? Was the £100m injection just to pay off transferred we owed? It’s new territory for us as a club and definitely us as fans
 
El Dante said:
I feel massively disillusioned at the moment. I feel as if we are so far down the pecking order for transfers. I see us stumble and fall to defeat and poor performance week by week. There appears little in the way of hope oh and further injuries keep occurring.

A lot of this gets put on Thomas Frank. He is held responsible for our poor results and performance. Unfortunately it’s almost a chicken and egg situation as to who is really to blame. Is it him? Or is he struggling to get a tune out of a disjointed team, weak in key areas and low in confidence.

We need a sense of belief. We need a sense of positive direction. We need exciting transfers that show that we aren’t falling behind. Eight months ago, the future seemed cautiously optimistic. We had won the Europa League, we had qualified for the Champions League. Sure our league form was awful, but that was just because of sacrifice for winning in Europe. Right? Right?

So do I blame Thomas Frank now? Yes as our performances have been poor. But does he get full blame? Absolutely not. Those above him must take responsibility. They have the ability and resources to bring true talent to the club, to show that Levy going heralded in a new dawn and what the fudge are they doing?! Seems like they’re sat on their hands right now as our closest transfer link appears to be a Brazilian kid who is unlikely to be ready for the league yet no matter how much of a star he may well be in future.

We need to find belief, we need something or it feels like we will fall further and further behind becoming more disillusioned with every step down the ladder.
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Levy left in September, since then, how many complete transfer windows has there been for them to deliver this new dawn...
 
Baleforce said:
Levy left in September, since then, how many complete transfer windows has there been for them to deliver this new dawn...
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They would have planned Levy's departure for sometime, it's very telling they chose to skip the window after winning a cup, chose to skip being able to make an instant impact to do their PR shtick.

Add in, they now have a struggling manager for last few months, and January window has opened and all they are doing is selling (more rumours about us selling Dragusin than anyone incoming other than a 19 yr old kid from Brazil).

It remains very likely that nothing changed, remember Levy spent ~400M on Ange, so any real change would need to exceed that number, include established stars and change the timing of buys .. sure we can wait and see, but do you really need to?
 
El Dante said:
I feel massively disillusioned at the moment. I feel as if we are so far down the pecking order for transfers. I see us stumble and fall to defeat and poor performance week by week. There appears little in the way of hope oh and further injuries keep occurring.

A lot of this gets put on Thomas Frank. He is held responsible for our poor results and performance. Unfortunately it’s almost a chicken and egg situation as to who is really to blame. Is it him? Or is he struggling to get a tune out of a disjointed team, weak in key areas and low in confidence.

We need a sense of belief. We need a sense of positive direction. We need exciting transfers that show that we aren’t falling behind. Eight months ago, the future seemed cautiously optimistic. We had won the Europa League, we had qualified for the Champions League. Sure our league form was awful, but that was just because of sacrifice for winning in Europe. Right? Right?

So do I blame Thomas Frank now? Yes as our performances have been poor. But does he get full blame? Absolutely not. Those above him must take responsibility. They have the ability and resources to bring true talent to the club, to show that Levy going heralded in a new dawn and what the fudge are they doing?! Seems like they’re sat on their hands right now as our closest transfer link appears to be a Brazilian kid who is unlikely to be ready for the league yet no matter how much of a star he may well be in future.

We need to find belief, we need something or it feels like we will fall further and further behind becoming more disillusioned with every step down the ladder.
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We always have been down the pecking order on transfers, Bergkamp, Hazard, lots of pre Eze/MGW horror stories, that didn't stop us from Keane, Carrick, JD, Berbatov, VDV, Modric, Dele, Bale, Jan, Toby, Son, Dembele, Romero, etc.

He is struggling to get anything in place, or he doesn't have anything beyond this reactive, don't lose football. This is a better team, certainly a better 22 than he has ever had, yet it looks terrible.

Yes, we need direction, as I said in my other response, the owners have pulled the wool over everyone's eyes "we will take this club places, but we have waited to announce that until we can have no impact for 5 months" there is no strategy, there is no villain to point at and a coach that is out of his depth and lacks an understanding of what this club is or aspires to (I'm fudging tired of hearing about how good Bretford, Sunderland, Wolves, fulham are from our club manager, how they are tough games and we must be careful .. no, we need to respect any opponent but we need to expect that Spurs will beat those teams)
 
Raziel said:
They would have planned Levy's departure for sometime, it's very telling they chose to skip the window after winning a cup, chose to skip being able to make an instant impact to do their PR shtick.

Add in, they now have a struggling manager for last few months, and January window has opened and all they are doing is selling (more rumours about us selling Dragusin than anyone incoming other than a 19 yr old kid from Brazil).

It remains very likely that nothing changed, remember Levy spent ~400M on Ange, so any real change would need to exceed that number, include established stars and change the timing of buys .. sure we can wait and see, but do you really need to?
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there is no way it was planned, someone had a moment, planning would have required thinking about it, and had it been thought about, they would have realised it was mad to do it
 
I honestly dont see the point of letting the situation carry on any longer,

I'm not sure a new manager will fix the situation much, I certainly don't think a new manager will have us playing free flowing football and pick up points, even less so with out the players injured

the squad needs an overhaul, the starting line ups spine last night was meh and mistake prone.

What a new manager might do is stop it being as toxic around the place, I dread to think what the ground will be like on Saturday if we are 2/3-0 down
 
Baleforce said:
there is no way it was planned, someone had a moment, planning would have required thinking about it, and had it been thought about, they would have realised it was mad to do it
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It was planned since probably 2024 mate, Peter Charrington is a Lewis family confidant who took the gig in March 2025.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6600022/2025/09/06/peter-charrington-tottenham-hotspur-who/

You can come up to your own conclusions but lets just say, it's established Levy turned down/away several bids and was starting to spend significantly more money as club income was going up (Ange got backed financially if not the right players, but separate discussion)

I'd love to be proved wrong and see them pump cash into club but early signs don't seem good. At best they are idiot nepo babies who think they can run a football club, at worst they are actively cashing out
 
Legohamster said:
I honestly dont see the point of letting the situation carry on any longer,

I'm not sure a new manager will fix the situation much, I certainly don't think a new manager will have us playing free flowing football and pick up points, even less so with out the players injured

the squad needs an overhaul, the starting line ups spine last night was meh and mistake prone.

What a new manager might do is stop it being as toxic around the place, I dread to think what the ground will be like on Saturday if we are 2/3-0 down
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A new manager might get us 6 points against West Ham and Burnley, which is looking more and more required.
 
Legohamster said:
Frank has already got 6 points vs those teams?
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He also won the first Brentford game, saw how that went?

We are barely scoring from open play, the side is disjointed, injuries are kicking in, those two games are the best chance of points for the next 6-8 weeks, you really confident this guy will win any game?
 
Baleforce said:
Levy left in September, since then, how many complete transfer windows has there been for them to deliver this new dawn...
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It’s a very fair point. We do have to give them a chance I guess.

However, it’s not like these people have had no say or influence over the last 25 years. I struggle to believe that the leopard has changed its spots.

The frontman has changed but the band is still the same so I don’t expect the tune will change too much.
 
I'll further add to my comments earlier that I accepted what the club were going to do in the summer regardless of Bilbao. I was pretty clear that whether we won or lost he was gone; a decision I still personally find baffling (no need to hammer me with '17th and defeats', I know the stats, I also have my own context, and my own beliefs on the direction winning in such adversity might've taken us). I was clear that I understood they were taking that action, and that I personally would not have. It was in THAT context that I genuinely felt Frank fitted what this club wanted better than any other candidate. Even Silva (who has a vibe) would've possibly done a Romero by now IMO, and I think Iraola would've been eaten alive by who we are (let's face it, we're a WEIRD fudging football club).

Paratici brought Conte.
Munn brought Ange; unfortunately, let's just say Munn didn't quite fit.
Lange brought Frank.
The DoF does seem to drive the appointment of the manager, and in that regard, there was no better fit.
Again, it does not mean I was necessarily delighted, however I support the football club, and as such I support whoeveer is managing it to the very best of my spirit (Graham was the exception, I could not find it in my soul to give him an ounce of support)...

Honestly? Unless we are planning to give Lange the shove and bring in another DoF, there seems little point in releasing Frank before the end of the season (unless we end up in deeper trouble). Unless there is a major uptick, if a change is made in the summer, the first one we should make is the DoF so as we can at least have that alignment in place before any managerial changes...
 
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