tommysvr
Steve Carr
Up until now, you've been pretty forgiving of him. Did Bournemouth change something for you?
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Frank Give him time or get rid?
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Up until now, you've been pretty forgiving of him. Did Bournemouth change something for you?
Daisuk
Chris Jones
If we could get Harry back as an interim, I'd do it. I know most of you would say he wouldn't work and that we'd be a disaster, but I reckon he could get us playing. All these tactically astute (supposedly) managers doing the same boring brick, getting the same old sack. I'd take a bit of Harry.
Fatso Jason
Eidur Gudjohnsen
Summer
Good old Harry - he kindly offered himself to West Ham the other week. I loved the team he created for us, but he's 78 years old and it's a firm no from me. If this is the level of manager around for the time being I'd rather wait until the summer....
Daisuk
Chris Jones
My take coming from a bit of jest and yearning for the good ol' times, obviously. I don't see why his tactics (or lack of) would necessarily make us perform any worse than we already are though.
Yes I get it, but regardless I would take Frank over a guy who is 78 and last managed 9 years ago
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Daisuk
Chris Jones
Yes I get it, but regardless I would take Frank over a guy who is 78 and last managed 9 years ago
That is the sensible solution. The little kid in me would take Harry back in a heartbeat, haha.
On the actual topic - I don't see why we should sack Frank just yet. It might become a pressing issue relatively soon though. I think we've shown glimpses over the past few games that we are improving a tiny little bit going forward. We're also lifted by finally using Tel, in my opinion. If we could get a proper upgrade on Bentancur in (someone who could actually pass the ball forward), maybe we could see some actual improvements in our ball progression too. Add to that the return of players, specifically Solanke now that both Kulu and Maddison seem to be out for the season, and maybe we'd look a bit better. Overall I must admit I'm not very hopeful of Frank actually having a long term future here.
It seems like the dream guy for the job rarely is, so maybe it wouldn't be stupid to take the punt on an interim until summer - but then again, who would want that gig? It would be interesting to hear from former players just what exactly they have liked about the managers they have had - what qualities are important? Is the Spurs job a bit too big for Frank, perhaps? Does he have the stature and authority you need to sort of walk in the shoes of the club? I don't know, just curious about just what makes a manager work or not work. Most don't work, of course. It must be some sort of synergy where stars just align and all the elements just work together, basically.
I reckon the board is lining up alternatives at the moment (they surely must be).
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Not trying to be dingdong but there were a few people (myself included) who commented last season that he wasn't a fit, you can probably find a quote or two of mine when the choices were Iraola, Frank, Silva and my viewpoint was anyone but Frank, too direct, too long ball.
Once he got the job, most people backed him (as we should) and then tried to see how it would be a good fit via analysis, and the basic premise is he would raise the floor from Ange, ceiling to be determined, he hasn't hence he is in trouble.
ricky2tricky4city
Chris Jones
I'm not sure the Bournemouth game would change anything. If just the fact that losing does, fair enough.
I think the performance was good bar a real regression in defending (at times),
and it wasn't like we were left exposed, we had the men back but wtf were they doing awareness/position/urgency wise.
SAF couldn't beat Bournemouth, Sunderland, Wolves, Brentford with this squad?
Completely disagree, a competent coach who is acknowledging the year over year changes in the PL, who can get his messages across to the players would have won at least 2 of those games and we would be at least 8th and none of this conversation would be happening.
Gazza
Johnny Morrison
I think he would improve us.
parklane1
Teddy Sheringham
I have said before that we really have to get away from sacking managers, we have had 6[ not counting caretakers] since Pooch was sacked. No wonder we never achieve any stability. I was not really in favour of signing Frank but we chop and change players,systems etc its madness. IMO.
MartyFunkhouser
Steve Sedgley
Has it been 6? Hahaha, tremendous levels
Nah, it's only 5....
papaspur
Mido
Maybe we should've just let Mason have a go. I posted yesterday in the TF thread since I feel like I've seen enough. First few months, I get that he could just be learning the squad but at some point, it seems he's continually making the same mistakes and not being strong enough in instilling a proper winning mentality (strategically AND tactically).
Why he doesn't rotate, or allows the team to sit so deep, or plays Bentancur with Palhinha together which further stifles our attack, I simply have no idea. I get that young players need a little time to develop, but if the alternative to playing youth is playing experienced bricks who can't pass forward, then I don't really know what the underlying thinking or logic is.
I still think we need to give him until the summer in some hope that maybe there is some paradigm that finally clicks into place; I get these things can take some time, but I don't know if he's overcomplicating things or being overly simplistic, and thus, naive.
Why he doesn't rotate, or allows the team to sit so deep, or plays Bentancur with Palhinha together which further stifles our attack, I simply have no idea. I get that young players need a little time to develop, but if the alternative to playing youth is playing experienced bricks who can't pass forward, then I don't really know what the underlying thinking or logic is.
I still think we need to give him until the summer in some hope that maybe there is some paradigm that finally clicks into place; I get these things can take some time, but I don't know if he's overcomplicating things or being overly simplistic, and thus, naive.
Mikey10
Jimmy McCormick
You’re never a dingdong on here - and I wasn’t completely sure myself when it came to the appointment. There was definitely a lot of “He’s the perfect appointment for us at this time” stuff going around, though.
thfcsteff
Ralph Coates
He was the perfect fit for this club the way it behaves. I certainly said that. We are patently not set-up to take risks with major money signings, and we are not a club who wants to have a strong personality/presence as manager/head coach. The whole concept of Thomas Frank was that is a very strong coach with regards to tactical flexibility both through a season and in-game, that he can make very good use of a squad, that he can improve players significantly, and that he can develop young talent. Add to that the only big question -could he himself step up to the next level as a coach with a club like this and merge his natural pragmatism with a more consistently front-foot progressive style, and on all levels it matched where Lange and (at that point) Levy had this club.
We can go about deconstructing the above in a wider discussion, and I believe your wider point is that even with all that said, a season is not a fair period of evaluation.
I am merely looking for progress in the directions I would like to see them, most notably in the style of play. I have resigned myself to the potential fact that TF's 'endgame' in that regard is a stronger, more efficient version of what he deployed at Brentford, a style I happen to believe has a ceiling and is also not one I like.
I think there is a solid case behind what folks like @Bishop say about quality, and I also believe the squad is not nearly as bad as some people think.
I think Frank is actually currently being sold out by his immediate superiors. I saw Lange hiding like this last season, and I see him hiding again this season. Last season was certainlty more complicated as Munn took some sort of weird 'ownership' over Ange and that made things tricky. But this season I see no excuse.
I am actually very sympathetic to Frank right now, more so in the last 24 hours than ever.