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tommysvr
Michael Carrick
Thomas Frank to Spurs: Move from Brentford to Tottenham is risky but Danish manager earned chance
Thomas Frank's move to Spurs is a risk for the charismatic Dane - but he has earned the big opportunity, says chief football writer Phil McNulty.
www.bbc.com
Mikey10
Chris Perry
Thomas Frank to Spurs: Move from Brentford to Tottenham is risky but Danish manager earned chance
Thomas Frank's move to Spurs is a risk for the charismatic Dane - but he has earned the big opportunity, says chief football writer Phil McNulty.
Phil dismissing 18 months of dreadful football, and the breaking of endless negative records both for the club and in the PL, in one sentence.
He obviously didn’t have to sit and watch it all, the lucky bugger.
tommysvr
Michael Carrick
I’d do it all over again for that night in Bilbao
For me personally, when I renew my season tickets I do it because I want a release and to have something to look forward to most weeks and to be entertained.
Last season was the opposite of that, I was dreading going to games and it became a chore. Whilst the cup win was fantastic, the overall experience of the season was dreadful. Once was enough for me
ricky2tricky4city
Luka Modric
Two things obviously went on last season....one extremely gratifying, one extremely depressing.
The balance of one just outweighing the other in the decision making process is not dysfunctional.
Bishop
Steffen Iversen
This list is inaccurate, at last count Liverpool's audited wage bill was 121m a year more than our own. There's no way we are paying the same general wages or that we are matching in general after their big two. It just doesn't add up numerically.It appears that outside of VVD & Salah Liverpools earners aren't that high
The 'issue' is ours tapers off beyond the 3 highest - so for me the issue isn't so much the top tier wages but more that we don't have enough players at the level of our highest earners - this could be explained away by focusing on youth as we rebuilt, naturally younger players will command less wages and theirs will rise anyway as they develop to reflect their level.
Edit : to add i want to see us add to that list of 3 this summer - i feel we've turned the squad around considerably in the last few years and we need less wholesale changes, we've got good options across the squad so should be able to buy more established players where needed
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tommysvr
Michael Carrick
I don’t mean literally do the same thing this season. A trophy this season won’t come close to what Bilbao meant (unless we miraculously win the PL or CL)
Muttley
Andy Sinton
The challenge is that they're not equally weighted in fan time and headspace. A football season is 9 months and we played 60 games across that time period. Whilst Bilbao was euphoric, scraping a draw at Ibrox was incredibly frustrating. Whilst the Utd league games were soothing, the Palace home and away games were anything but. In fact in the currency of hours spent being a fan I bet it is over 80% of the season that was dissatisfying. Obviously, the mitigating factor of that horrific injury spell played it's part in the fan mood.
Said this before but even if the one night in Bilbao tipped the balance into it being a favourable season, why should THFC settle for just that? Making winning a EL trophy just table stakes shows a strong club. Wanting more and more and more shows ambition. Therefore the club's decision making has been spot on in these last couple of weeks for me. I wavered as much as the next guy but knew it would be the internal conversations that tipped the balance and was the biggest part of the manager change decision. It's the bit that the fans can't see between employer and employee that was the most important, and still is moving forward with Frank.
There's another source - that suggests the same. Those numbers will not show Salah & VVD new contracts though.
An FA Cup win would run it close - I'm of the opinion that European cups hold more prestige but there are plenty that consider FAC in higher regard (than the EL or ConL)
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Bishop
Steffen Iversen
These sources are guesses. The audited accounts are the only accurate source we have. It's factually the case that Liverpool paid 121m more a season than we did. It's not up for debate.
There's another source - that suggests the same. Those numbers will not show Salah & VVD new contracts though.
Muttley
Andy Sinton
There's an irony that the CL teams not dropping into the EL worked massively in our favour. Next season, I would have probably settled for dropping into the EL and winning it again.
As you say though, the FA Cup would be special. Our history is so much about that competition which is currently really hard to win.
Ok fair enough, happy to use numbers from accounts as a point of reference in that case. Are they the latest numbers available? How does that tie in with the W2T ratio which is always presented as an up to date figure? If we don't have the current accounts how can we calc the statistic?
Regarding the table provided I don't really see a lot wrong with our positioning - we're not paying out as much in wages as the clubs you would expect, eg regular CL participants and/or the mega rich, whilst we are spending a fair whack on transfers (same money pot as per posts in the Frank thread) it also shows that Arsenal while out of the CL and going through their own rebuild reduced their wages too.
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Bishop
Steffen Iversen
Honestly I don't have the time to cross reference it but from what I recall ourselves, Arsenal en Liverpool are in similar realms in this regard with us being the lowest, possibly by a margin. The oil clubs don't really care because it's not a concern for them.
I don't really have an issue with the wage table as it stands, I just feel we could ease the upper limit somewhat to allow us to potentially squeeze some other players in, but we'll see. Ultimately I'm not even somewhat who argues for the signing of the lost expensive established players. I'm enough going for developing players but I'm also aware of our own set wage level restrictions.
Chrissivad
Alf Ramsey
Beat them in the finals
Took one of their coaches
Now suing them...
Took one of their coaches
Now suing them...
SirPercyHotspur
Jamie Clapham
Correct those wage websites are laughable with some of the figures they quote and as you say we are way behind Liverpool.
From the last published accounts Spurs 820 full time employees that's everyone at the club from Levy downwards and a wage bill of £221 million, Liverpool 1,011 full time employees wage bill £386 million, we are £165 million behind.
Honestly I don't have the time to cross reference it but from what I recall ourselves, Arsenal en Liverpool are in similar realms in this regard with us being the lowest, possibly by a margin. The oil clubs don't really care because it's not a concern for them.
I don't really have an issue with the wage table as it stands, I just feel we could ease the upper limit somewhat to allow us to potentially squeeze some other players in, but we'll see. Ultimately I'm not even somewhat who argues for the signing of the lost expensive established players. I'm enough going for developing players but I'm also aware of our own set wage level restrictions.
One of my other issues with using the percentage of turnover stat is that there are too many variables across clubs regarding set expenditure before player trading and wages that make a blanket wages vs turnover pretty meaningless. For example, due to us financing the debt on the stadium and paying for the upkeep on a new state of the art stadium we have an expenditure in that area alone that other clubs do not have to factor in, and it would be significant enough to skew the %. 48% could be mid 50s by the time that is taken in to account (can't be arsed to do the legwork but the point remains the W2T stat is not a very reliable metric) but as we're bottom of the pile and that's about as much the majority of people will look in to it it gets pushed around as a stick to beat the club with
Bedfordspurs
Graham Roberts
I’m amazed they haven’t done a united and culled a load of staff to cut their costs