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Contingency planning : When Ange is sacked, who should replace him?

Who do you want as the next Tottenham Hotspur manager?

  • Andoni Iraola

    Votes: 14 12.8%

  • Marco Silva

    Votes: 10 9.2%

  • Thomas Frank

    Votes: 5 4.6%

  • Kieran McKenna

    Votes: 1 0.9%

  • Mauricio Pochettino

    Votes: 49 45.0%

  • Edin Tersic

    Votes: 1 0.9%

  • A.N. Other

    Votes: 29 26.6%
  • Total voters
    109
harr1984 said:
If Levy wants to sack Ange then fine, as long as it's for someone who is undoubtedly better and going to take the club forward. Frank is uninspiring, people scoff at Ange 'only' winning in lesser leagues - Frank hasn't won anything beyond a play off final, nothing at Brondby in Denmark.

Whereas Ange has won everywhere he's gone including a Europa League title here, so I'd rather give the guy who has won us a trophy an opportunity to build over Frank who has done nothing beyond make Brentford a stable club. Alan Curbishley did that at Charlton for years, I wouldn't have wanted him either....
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Just out of curiosity, what was Poch’s CV like before he came to us?
 
Yiddo said:
Just out of curiosity, what was Poch’s CV like before he came to us?
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Frank has been in the PL for years and done nothing - sure getting Brentford to be a PL regular is a good thing but after a while you have to kick on. Their recruitment is a big reason why they are where they are, Poch would have taken Brentford further than where they have gone under Frank and if he hadn't it would be because he'd been snapped up by a bigger club beforehand....
 
harr1984 said:
Frank has been in the PL for years and done nothing - sure getting Brentford to be a PL regular is a good thing but after a while you have to kick on. Their recruitment is a big reason why they are where they are, Poch would have taken Brentford further than where they have gone under Frank and if he hadn't it would be because he'd been snapped up by a bigger club beforehand....
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It’s Brentford, they are never going to kick on and if they do it will he a splash in the pan type of thing. He needs to be at a bigger club to see what he can do.
 
Yiddo said:
It’s Brentford, they are never going to kick on and if they do it will he a splash in the pan type of thing. He needs to be at a bigger club to see what he can do.
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Yet the likes of Brighton have managed to get into Europe, and that's before we get onto the football he plays....
 
Gutter Boy said:
I'm sure we've spoken to him. As well as 4-5 others. Just because this one is leaking, I'm not sure he's necessarily favourite
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This .. fudge me ...

The club should talk to a group of candidates, I'm not a Frank fan but he's earned a conversation, just like Iriola, Silva, some on the continent.
 
harr1984 said:
If Levy wants to sack Ange then fine, as long as it's for someone who is undoubtedly better and going to take the club forward. Frank is uninspiring, people scoff at Ange 'only' winning in lesser leagues - Frank hasn't won anything beyond a play off final, nothing at Brondby in Denmark.

Whereas Ange has won everywhere he's gone including a Europa League title here, so I'd rather give the guy who has won us a trophy an opportunity to build over Frank who has done nothing beyond make Brentford a stable club. Alan Curbishley did that at Charlton for years, I wouldn't have wanted him either....
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The context of an average of 1.2 points per game in the PL since the notorious Chelsea game in the first season seems to have been missing from a lot of the analysis on here of late, along with the various other ‘records’ broken over the last two seasons (most PL games lost by any team not to have subsequently been relegated, 1 win - against Southampton - in the last 11 games, most home defeats in a season…).

I’m not really pro or anti-Frank tbh, but the bloke’s PL record (with much more meagre resources at his disposal) certainly stands above Ange’s.

The club runs on the basis that securing European football is THE major priority each season; looking at it without emotion, I can easily see why they might therefore be considering replacing Ange with Frank.
 
Mikey10 said:
The context of an average of 1.2 points per game in the PL since the notorious Chelsea game in the first season seems to have been missing from a lot of the analysis on here of late, along with the various other ‘records’ broken over the last two seasons (most PL games lost by any team not to have subsequently been relegated, 1 win - against Southampton - in the last 11 games, most home defeats in a season…).

I’m not really pro or anti-Frank tbh, but the bloke’s PL record (with much more meagre resources at his disposal) certainly stands above Ange’s.

The club runs on the basis that securing European football is THE major priority each season; looking at it without emotion, I can easily see why they might therefore be considering replacing Ange with Frank.
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The club runs on the basis that securing European football is the priority - Yeah, just like Brentford's priority is securing PL safety so Frank focuses on the league. There's a reason why Spurs played over half a PL seasons worth more of games than Brentford. It's pointless to compare when the expectations and focuses, not to mention the number of games played are completely different.....
 
harr1984 said:
If Levy wants to sack Ange then fine, as long as it's for someone who is undoubtedly better and going to take the club forward. Frank is uninspiring, people scoff at Ange 'only' winning in lesser leagues - Frank hasn't won anything beyond a play off final, nothing at Brondby in Denmark.

Whereas Ange has won everywhere he's gone including a Europa League title here, so I'd rather give the guy who has won us a trophy an opportunity to build over Frank who has done nothing beyond make Brentford a stable club. Alan Curbishley did that at Charlton for years, I wouldn't have wanted him either....
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harr1984 said:
The club runs on the basis that securing European football is the priority - Yeah, just like Brentford's priority is securing PL safety so Frank focuses on the league. There's a reason why Spurs played over half a PL seasons worth more of games than Brentford. It's pointless to compare when the expectations and focuses, not to mention the number of games played are completely different.....
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Contradictory posting. Love it! 😃
 
Mikey10 said:
Contradictory posting. Love it! 😃
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I mean in the context you have just said, you can't say we are run on obtaining European football (which by the way we have achieved both seasons with Ange) and not consider that Brentford's objective is just to stay in the league. If Ange was at Brentford this season with nothing to concern himself with except the league I don't think he'd be doing any worse.

I don't think Frank is a bad manager at all, but he in my opinion is not the guy to elevate us. If the options really are the likes of Frank and Silva with Glasner and Ireola not being obtainable and then I'd rather just see how the guy who has just won us a European trophy fares tbh....
 
harr1984 said:
If Ange was at Brentford this season with nothing to concern himself with except the league I don't think he'd be doing any worse.
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Strongly disagree - at a lesser side you'd have to expect that his tactics would be even more exposed leading to a worse return points wise.
 
billyiddo said:
Strongly disagree - at a lesser side you'd have to expect that his tactics would be even more exposed leading to a worse return points wise.
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They might be a 'lesser side' but they have a lot of very good players because of their recruitment and their attackers would certainly thrive under him. Wissa and Mbuemo are better than our forwards for starters....
 
Mikey10 said:
The club runs on the basis that securing European football is THE major priority each season; looking at it without emotion, I can easily see why they might therefore be considering replacing Ange with Frank.
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It's funny, the club always gets pelters for "not acting like a big club"

Evaluating Ange despite winning a trophy is exactly the thing big clubs do, Madrid, Barca, Chelsea, Bayern regularly get rid of managers who "only" brought success on one front.
 
harr1984 said:
They might be a 'lesser side' but they have a lot of very good players because of their recruitment and their attackers would certainly thrive under him. Wissa and Mbuemo are better than our forwards for starters....
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Come on now don't be disingenuous.
 
Raziel said:
It's funny, the club always gets pelters for "not acting like a big club"

Evaluating Ange despite winning a trophy is exactly the thing big clubs do, Madrid, Barca, Chelsea, Bayern regularly get rid of managers who "only" brought success on one front.
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Yeah it acts like a big club sometimes and sometimes like a tin pot club … I think we fans are like dogs that need consistency and routine…
 
I think the right comparative for Ange is probably Howe, Maresca or Emery.

It's not Slot, Pep or Arteta as they have been dealt a slightly better hand of cards. I know Chelsea have spent a lot but their young squad has needed a lot of nurturing and Poch took it until the end of last season. Maresca then took the reins. I might be being generous with Ange on Villa as I believe we have the better squad. Both clubs have had a similar couple of years. Howe is the last one and perhaps the best comparative to Ange. A very similar hand if you ask me between the 2 clubs.

It is pointless comparing Ange and Frank either way round. They live in different worlds.

Whether it is us or another club, I do think Frank needs to find that next size of club to manage.
 
billyiddo said:
I don't think we're in a position to turn our noses up at managers who have shown they can get a PL side playing at or above their level consistently tbh
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Lol, he's the new Nuno, and look how that turned out. He'll never win anything. Ange just won our first European trophy for FORTY-ONE YEARS. I don't think we're in a position to turn out noses up at someone who's actually got us over the line. Listen, if the poor league form carries on, he's had his chance, but we're jumping ship for someone who won a EPL play off?! fudging hell! At this point, it's just throwing another manager to the lions. If we were sacking Ange for Klopp, or someone similar, fair enough, but you are actually bigging up Frank! Brentford's Frank! Deary Me.
 
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