Contingency planning : When Ange is sacked, who should replace him?

[carl]

I'd be amazed if Levy, knowing the way he operates, would look at the decline in performances and results and care whether the players like Ange or not. Players liking him won't improve results as has been shown over the last 2 years.

Keep saying it but this decision needs to be made with emotion taking out of it.

 

[fernadez]

Win games, players will buy in

- Give Romero the opportunity to have the game in front of him (vs. him foot racing people back to his own goal), he will be elite
- Play that way and your dependency on VDV goes down
- Give Porro cover so he can commit to attacks and he'll do better than TAA (his numbers are already there)
- Give Son/Johnson space to run into, let them come in more central, let Son shoot again
- Manage games, don't require players to sprint continuously in and out of possession

Do those things, win games and let individual players thrive more and they will back whoever is in the seat.

Sounds a lot like managing to me

 

[tommysvr]

e.g. Maddison and Son’s, “It’s always the same plan” bench conversation a few weeks ago

Was that confirmed somewhere?

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Was that confirmed somewhere?

No
But it was clear ish on the video
What was clear too was Maddison holding the Ange banner up with Reggie in Bilbao … he chose to do that as it was a fans banner

 

[tommysvr]

No
But it was clear ish on the video
What was clear too was Maddison holding the Ange banner up with Reggie in Bilbao … he chose to do that as it was a fans banner

What was clear? Is the point that we can’t trust what a player says publicly — whether it be via the press, their own Instagram or during a parade — but we can trust lip readers?

 

[Mikey10]

What was clear? Is the point that we can’t trust what a player says publicly — whether it be via the press, their own Instagram or during a parade — but we can trust lip readers?

My point was the opposite of that. You can’t trust any of it. It’s all done in the glare of the media and it therefore almost always can’t be trusted one way or the other.

 

[Mikey10]

Not IMO
The way the players pushed Ange forward many times in many moments says a lot
Look at the body language at United for comparison

We engaged in a lot of half-hearted chasing back at times in those games, for instance, and for periods of many games the players really didn’t look they knew what the plan was.

Whether that’s relevant now depends on how you view the EL victory and its potential to impact the team should it choose to go forward with Ange, I suppose.

 

[Mr Gogolak]

I find this idea that players' opinions matter or at the very least that they would know more about a manager quite puzzling. They certainly know more about him as a person, but they have no idea what it takes to be successful.

The players allegedly rebelled against Mourinho and Espirito Santo. Few of ours have a bigger name than Mourinho in world football and I'd say that the other has done fairly well for himself since he was sacked - certainly better than, say, Harry Winks for instance.

Giving in to player power is the worst mistake a club can ever make. If they want to keep Postecoglou, it's their choice to make, but if they ever give away the idea that they are doing so because of the players, it won't be long until things go South.

 

[carl]

I find this idea that players' opinions matter or at the very least that they would know more about a manager quite puzzling. They certainly know more about him as a person, but they have no idea what it takes to be successful.

The players allegedly rebelled against Mourinho and Espirito Santo. Few of ours have a bigger name than Mourinho in world football and I'd say that the other has done fairly well for himself since he was sacked - certainly better than, say, Harry Winks for instance.

Giving in to player power is the worst mistake a club can ever make. If they want to keep Postecoglou, it's their choice to make, but if they ever give away the idea that they are doing so because of the players, it won't be long until things go South.

The thought that we should be considering the fact that some players were waving some Ange flags when making a decision on him is worrying.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

We engaged in a lot of half-hearted chasing back at times in those games, for instance, and for periods of many games the players really didn’t look they knew what the plan was.

Whether that’s relevant now depends on how you view the EL victory and its potential to impact the team should it choose to go forward with Ange, I suppose.

Is that meant for me and this thread?
I’m talking about body language and how the players work/support ange

Your talking bobbing in games so I think that may be for another thread

 

[Bedfordspurs]

What was clear? Is the point that we can’t trust what a player says publicly — whether it be via the press, their own Instagram or during a parade — but we can trust lip readers?

It was quite clear what they were saying
The context of it wasn’t
Then could be talking about a lot of things

 

[Dicko]

Linked with Inzaghi again today. If he was even in the running then we wouldn't hear much for a while I doubt. I reckon his name is just being put out there to help him negotiate a pay rise with Inter but who knows?

 

[Raziel]

Linked with Inzaghi again today. If he was even in the running then we wouldn't hear much for a while I doubt. I reckon his name is just being put out there to help him negotiate a pay rise with Inter but who knows?

Paratici back, you will hear a thousand rumours ..

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Paratici back, you will hear a thousand rumours ..

Even him coming back is a rumour

 

[Finney Is Back]

If you were the owner of a company, let's say an investment firm and you had a stock brocker that over 2 years kept making bad investment after bad investment and was losing money but decided to use the last of his allocation on 1 big gamble, would you be happy to keep him on even if the gamble paid off?

Maybe because I'm a business owner I see things slightly different and try to take emotion out of decision making.

I really don't envy Levy at the moment but I wonder how much of an influence our new CEO will have on whether to keep Ange or not? When does he officially start?

I actually am a business owner in the very field that you're using for your analogy....

If I had a trader that came in after I had jettisoned a very well known and respected, yet volatile, trader in the market, taking on a fund that was at the time the best 8th best fund for returns in the UK and had just had to lose the best risk analyst in the world and the only genuine world class employee the firm had due to the firm not providing the opportunities for excellence that the risk analyst could get elsewhere, and that new trader that came in managed to trade up the fund to be the 5th best performing fund in the UK in the first year I'd be delighted.

If that same trader had lots more positions to manage without being given a bigger team of staff to help manage them and then suffered a whole bunch of market shocks in the second year but managed to hold his nerve and deliver a major trading award for the company, hit his brief of taking the company into the top euro fund index, while generating a whole bunch of new business ready for the following financial year then I would absolutely keep his yes.

 

[glorygloryeze]

I do wonder if the fact that Poch will likely be available after next summer's world cup will play a part in whether Ange stays or goes...

In my opinion it really shouldn't (on multiple levels) but i can it might..

 

[Bedfordspurs]

I do wonder if the fact that Poch will likely be available after next summer's world cup will play a part in whether Ange stays or goes...

In my opinion it really shouldn't (on multiple levels) but i can it might..

I’ve thought that but also think it’s a fans idea rather than a chairman’s

 

[DubaiSpur]

I’ve thought that but also think it’s a fans idea rather than a chairman’s

It's both. We know for a fact that they stay in touch, they were pictured together not two months ago. He still apparently lives minutes from the training ground, though he probably now also has a base out in the US.

My understanding is, others on the board/around Levy don't want him back. But Levy himself seems more open to the idea.

And I think the majority of fans would love if it happened. Hell, he's the easy winner of our own poll up above. Not even close.

 

[thfcsteff]

It's both. We know for a fact that they stay in touch, they were pictured together not two months ago. He still apparently lives minutes from the training ground, though he probably now also has a base out in the US.

My understanding is, others on the board/around Levy don't want him back. But Levy himself seems more open to the idea.

And I think the majority of fans would love if it happened. Hell, he's the easy winner of our own poll up above. Not even close.

If the obstacle(s) were removed, and if after the WC he decided he wanted 'in', I hope we can trust the same fans who turned their backs on him at the first signs of issues requiring surgery to stand behind them this time.

 

[DubaiSpur]

If the obstacle(s) were removed, and if after the WC he decided he wanted 'in', I hope we can trust the same fans who turned their backs on him at the first signs of issues requiring surgery to stand behind them this time.

I think we were a different club back then mate. It isn't just some fans - even Levy was carried away by the phantasmal CL final into thinking we were a bigger club than we were, that we were a white-shirted Chelsea who only needed to sack the man who gave us his heart and soul and hire a legend like Mourinho to take that last step to regular trophies.

We grew way too big for our boots, and the brutal years that followed saw us cut down to size.

I genuinely think that for many of us, the mentality has changed. You saw the outpouring of emotion for Ange at the Brighton game, the preference of the fans to let him stay even though we finished 17th.

It took a long time, but we've learned to appreciate what we have - whether it's Ange winning us something at last, or Sonny spending 10 years at the club out of pure love and loyalty. It took a lot of dog days and years to return to reality after the mirage of that final in 2019 - and it's why I said in the EL winners thread that it hung around the club like a miasma.

Poch, if he came back, would come to a club more akin to the one he joined in 2014, than the one he left in 2019.