Not suggesting they would forget about it?
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"Champions of 3rd place, we know what we are"
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Not suggesting they would forget about it?
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
I get your point, I just think its more likely they burn themselves out completely over the two games than they dont go hell for leather against Utd through holding back for the Liverpool game.
Its a derby, its the title, its watching Mourinhos brick eating sneer at the final whistle - I think the opposite - even if Guardiola told them to hold back Im not sure they could.
alekaras
The ITK of IDK
Interesting. According to this we're more likely to finish 2nd and Yanited more likely to finish 4th. Which actually isn't too far off, given the relative form of each team.
Bedfordspurs
Arthur Rowe
Absolutely but these this game can turn quickly
I’m ultra confident of top 4 but a higher league finish helps us with champions league pots next season
City could win the title at OT, put everything they have left into the Liverpool game and roll over against us
or
fail to to clinch the title this weekend, limp out of the CL and take it all out on us.
7percent
Pascal Chimbonda
It's at the Etihad, but see your point.
alekaras
The ITK of IDK
It doesn't, actually. Only if we win the league does it help. Last year we finished 2nd, but were still in pot 3. Unless the rules changed.
alekaras
The ITK of IDK
I wish they go all out on us. If we beat them I want it to be with them playing at their best, not putting out a half-assed effort.
BrainOfLevy
Michael Carrick
I think this whole idea of ‘maybe this team will try slightly less hard because of X’ is something we maybe needed to rely on in the pre-Poch years in order to scrape a result against the top 4. Not now. We are fudging good. Whether City have won the League or not, whether they have a CL follow up or not, we can beat them. We obviously have to play well and it will be a big game, but the other team’s circumstances are almost irrelevant.
BrainOfLevy
Michael Carrick
Also, really interesting that Pep has decided to talk about being offered Pogba in a presser. He clearly wants to win against United. And reading that I think anything that can be done to cause more disarray against United’s egos can only be good for us as we push for second.
I think we can beat City though. They are good starters in a season, and we are good finishers. If Liverpool can do what they did, we can win.
I think we can beat City though. They are good starters in a season, and we are good finishers. If Liverpool can do what they did, we can win.
Bedfordspurs
Arthur Rowe
Argh the points system
Saying that we should be higher than most now but then it comes down to the English split
And I assume pool will have more points now with getting to a later round
jts1882
Dean Richards
It makes a difference for the CL money. A big chunk is from TV pool (the money our broadcasters pay) and that is split 40:30:20:10% according to league position. The difference between finishing 2nd and 4th is substantial.
alekaras
The ITK of IDK
That's interesting. I didn't know that the CL TV money was allocated according to league position.
alekaras
The ITK of IDK
Yes, but so would we. I think we'll be in Pot 2, based on our group stage results and the fact we will drop a Europa league year and add a CL year to our coefficient, which should count for more.
jts1882
Dean Richards
Only part of it, but a big chunk, probably about half is based on the TV money paid from that country and that is divided on league position. The rest is based on performance, games won in group and knockout phases. This year we did well (>£60m) with the results of the group phase and our share of the TV pool for second.
Last year Leicester got more than everyone except Juventus (finalists and big chunk of Italian TV money).
Bedfordspurs
Arthur Rowe
It’s why Leicester got more than Madrid the year they were in it
BT pay more so the epl teams get more and they got 40% so £70m
Hootnow
Jermaine Jenas
That isn't how it works unfortunately.
CL and EL are seeded the same and it is based on 5 seasons worth of performance, rather than just 1.
We are in fact about to lose our 2nd best performing season out of the past 5 (15, 9, 12, 10, 21).
We're currently 19th in the co-efficient rankings so would need 3 teams above to not make the CL.
Currently our best bets are Seville, who look out of the CL placings. Dortmund are in a fight. Zenit are currently out of the CL places and Basel would havw to play a play-off I think.
And assuming Arse don't win the EL, thats another team
Hootnow
Jermaine Jenas
Ah of course, completely forgot about them.
Actually, I am a complete idiot. If both Chelsea and Arsenal are out of it next year (as seems relatively likely right now), we only need 1 more team (Seville) to not be in for us to be in pot 2. I think anyway.
https://www.uefa.com/memberassociations/uefarankings/club/index.html
Apparently Leicester earned more in TV money from the CL that year than Real Madrid because they were champions and Madrid finished 3rd (?)