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Ange departs

Ange departs.

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thfcsteff said:
A very fair point, but I would hope that Munn and Lange were? I felt for some time Ange was flying solo. How much of that was him versus us I don't know, but it was pretty clear. My feeling remains that this was done a while back and the Europa victory made it hard to axe him at the end of the season.
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I'd keep lange. He's allegedly said he'd work under paratici.
 
DubaiSpur said:
I don't think it's easy for Levy and Ange to have that conversation, to be fair. Because, as a chairman/owner, if you have it during the season, you will look like you're trying to micromanage, which coaches are notoriously sensitive to. You can only have it at the end of the season, and I suspect the end of last season didn't have enough of a sample size yet, to have that chat.
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Who says levy had the conversation? We have a new ceo.
 
Legohamster said:
Silly thing is if he had put out a bit more effort in the league and we got 10th - he wouldnt be going
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This for me.
Even if we’d put in a performance against Brighton and won 3-1 (or better) he’d prob be staying.

The fact is we were atrocious in the league, both performance and results wise. We were pretty much as bad as we could have been even if we didn’t have a manager…so had to go really.
 
thfcsteff said:
Bingo!

At the risk of further annoying some people here...

It's a pathetic statement.
Munn is going next.
If Lange survives then it will be because he has agreed to be Frank's conduit/Frank won't come here otherwise (I hope he always sits with his back to the wall facing forwards when our property).

Literally the ONLY thing which would make this different is if we are about to change hands and new operators are insisting on different people. Otherwise it is the same old brick.
Your line about Poch is on-point, yet many refused to see it. Today we have a clamour for his return. It'd be funny if it wasn't sad in many ways.

I will take no pleasure in saying I was right, that he was gone, that we were all wasting our time with endless debates about 'could he couldn't he'.
We genuinely seem to lack some 'audere est facere' when it comes to the crunch, we really do.
In reading Postecoglu's statement, I think it's clear that he employed some (massively I might add) and got rewarded. He got it. I think he would've done some great things for us, but it's all going to be tinkling inthe wind and 'what proof do you have', etc, etc, so there's no point. My opinion. My view. And it is academic/useless anyway because obviously we will never find out.

If it is Thomas Frank (and I believe it will be) then I will wish him the very best of luck and fully get behind him as the new manager of our club. As discussed elsewhere, he is the least alarming of the names mentioned and probably the most likely to succeed, albeit he will have his work cut out for him.
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Well said mate. On Lange, I don't see how he survives if Paratici is poised to come in, unless he agrees to essentially be a subordinate. And to be fair, the appointment always felt like a bit of a stopgap, since nothing Lange has done in football yet, seemed to qualify him for a job as big as ours.

My guess is, he was the guy the club hired to keep us going while Paratici served out his ban. Like with Venkatesham's arrival likely meaning Munn is out, if Paratici arrives, my guess is Lange is out unless he agrees to be a sidekick.

And the thing is, I don't doubt that this will also be on the mind of Thomas Frank, or whomever Lange suggests as the replacement. If you're only coming in because of the strength of the recommendation of a fairly anonymous and somewhat low-profile sporting director like Lange, at a club like Tottenham...you aren't very safe when the big personalities like Paratici swing through the door with their own ideas and vision.
 
thfcsteff said:
A very fair point, but I would hope that Munn and Lange were? I felt for some time Ange was flying solo. How much of that was him versus us I don't know, but it was pretty clear. My feeling remains that this was done a while back and the Europa victory made it hard to axe him at the end of the season.
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The Athletic article indicates as much. Club apparently made a decision in April that they were going to let him go. But Ange winning the cup forced a delay while Levy reassessed, and ultimately stuck to his original call.
 
Finney Is Back said:
If so that is ridiculous…. He gave us the best possible chance to win the cup, why jeopardise that to finish10th?

I know the owners of this club do not care about trophies but I would’ve thought all of us fans would’ve done so.
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There is a difference between resting and rotating players to absolutely tanking the league and the "performances" we saw.
 
DubaiSpur said:
The

Today's piece by Jack Pitt-Brooke in the Athletic lays that out.

Club felt his playing style was responsible for some of the injuries.

Opposition managers also felt his tactics were easy to play through apparently, with one quoted (off the record) as saying we had a clear identity and attacked well, but we're 'easy to kill' when the full backs both went up because we left masses of space behind them.

I disagree, but it's hard to do so when you have literal opposition managers going on record (even if anonymously) to say that.
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And players
 
Finney Is Back said:
If so that is ridiculous…. He gave us the best possible chance to win the cup, why jeopardise that to finish10th?

I know the owners of this club do not care about trophies but I would’ve thought all of us fans would’ve done so.
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Because 11th (as an outlier) is the worst result the club has had in 21 years, the inability to prioritize the cup (right thing to do) and at least match the worse result in 21 years is a fudging problem mate, it can't just be dismissed.

thfcsteff said:
A very fair point, but I would hope that Munn and Lange were? I felt for some time Ange was flying solo. How much of that was him versus us I don't know, but it was pretty clear. My feeling remains that this was done a while back and the Europa victory made it hard to axe him at the end of the season.
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I don't, said it way back, the only scenario that kept Ange in his role past that Nov-Jan period was if Munn stuck out his neck for him, and a huge part of it would have been, we will turn it around (somewhat, with players returning from injury, with squad additions in Jan).

We all get really passionate about the club, but fortunately/unfortunately I've worked for much bigger organizations than Spurs for 30+ years, and this was all predicable

- Ange stayed on past mid-season meant the job risk now went to him and Munn
- No statement about Ange continuing in Chairman's statement, meant he was gone

Munn will go, new roles will be appointed, new manager will probably be announced by Monday ..
 
Muttley said:
Does anyone else feel a sense of relief that we can now move on and look forward again? I'm not feeling any anger towards any party to be fair.

I still think the direction of travel is a really good one for Spurs at the moment.
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Yup, glad it's done either way and not having it hang over the club for another few weeks.
 
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