Ange departs

[Legohamster]

Not sure if it's true or not but someone told me that there is 5 senior players that have said they will leave if Ange goes. Again not sure if this is true but Romero as good as hinted at it.

Of course the league position wasn't good enough but he also gave many the greatest night of their Tottenham supporting lives. A whole generation that had never seen glory.

Cool, they can - get a club to meet what we want

Romero has been making sounds all year about leaving

 

[Kandi1977]

Absolutely ridiculous decision.

What are the goals for Spurs?

Get into the champions league - CHECK
Win something - CHECK

And he did that with 14 players out injured at times, the CB pairing out for 7 months, needing to constantly having to play kids that were intended to be eased into the team. He's delivered what would have been our main goals, but still gets sacked. I'm disappointed.

 

[Legohamster]

Cool, they can - get a club to meet what we want

Romero has been making sounds all year about leaving

also

You put a microphone in front of a player, they are not going to go he needs to go are they

 

[Legohamster]

Sky reporting the board were concerned about the injuries and how they came about

 

[DubaiSpur]

The

Sky reporting the board were concerned about the injuries and how they came about

Today's piece by Jack Pitt-Brooke in the Athletic lays that out.

Club felt his playing style was responsible for some of the injuries.

Opposition managers also felt his tactics were easy to play through apparently, with one quoted (off the record) as saying we had a clear identity and attacked well, but we're 'easy to kill' when the full backs both went up because we left masses of space behind them.

I disagree, but it's hard to do so when you have literal opposition managers going on record (even if anonymously) to say that.

 

[thfcsteff]

It's an interesting statement - feels like Levy needing to explain himself a little, though he hides behind the 'unanimous' decision of the board a little given he's the only one who matters in terms of making a decision at Tottenham.



If you want to compete on multiple fronts, you need a squad able to do that, with the wages to match.

You instead prefer building the cheapest squad possible in terms of wages, which means buying literal teenagers by the boatload and hoping they come good.

Again, the club has very little idea of what it wants, and this dooms any manager, whether it's Ange or that rando Thomas Frank from out of Brentford (if we end up getting him).

Compete on all fronts, with a callow, cheap squad that will fold when exposed to the pressure. Then get sacked because you failed at the impossible job.

Only Poch has ever squared that circle, and he was rewarded for it by...getting sacked at the first sign of trouble.

Budget Chelsea, without the trophies, money or glamour to match.

Bingo!

At the risk of further annoying some people here...

It's a pathetic statement.
Munn is going next.
If Lange survives then it will be because he has agreed to be Frank's conduit/Frank won't come here otherwise (I hope he always sits with his back to the wall facing forwards when our property).

Literally the ONLY thing which would make this different is if we are about to change hands and new operators are insisting on different people. Otherwise it is the same old brick.
Your line about Poch is on-point, yet many refused to see it. Today we have a clamour for his return. It'd be funny if it wasn't sad in many ways.

I will take no pleasure in saying I was right, that he was gone, that we were all wasting our time with endless debates about 'could he couldn't he'.
We genuinely seem to lack some 'audere est facere' when it comes to the crunch, we really do.
In reading Postecoglu's statement, I think it's clear that he employed some (massively I might add) and got rewarded. He got it. I think he would've done some great things for us, but it's all going to be tinkling inthe wind and 'what proof do you have', etc, etc, so there's no point. My opinion. My view. And it is academic/useless anyway because obviously we will never find out.

If it is Thomas Frank (and I believe it will be) then I will wish him the very best of luck and fully get behind him as the new manager of our club. As discussed elsewhere, he is the least alarming of the names mentioned and probably the most likely to succeed, albeit he will have his work cut out for him.

 

[thfcsteff]

The

Today's piece by Jack Pitt-Brooke in the Athletic lays that out.

Club felt his playing style was responsible for some of the injuries.

Opposition managers also felt his tactics were easy to play through apparently, with one quoted (off the record) as saying we had a clear identity and attacked well, but we're 'easy to kill' when the full backs both went up because we left masses of space behind them.

I disagree, but it's hard to do so when you have literal opposition managers going on record (even if anonymously) to say that.

I remember Amorim saying that before the Europa League Final...on record.
It begs the question as to whether a conversation was ever had with him about his tactics. I know where my bet would be placed...

 

[Finney Is Back]

Statement is interesting - a different approach and a manager that can cope with all the competitions

Sounds like the club were not impressed with his squad management and completely binning the league

Then hopefully they actually fill the PL squad spaces with players over 21 to help the new manager do so.

 

[thfcsteff]

Done.

Right decision ultimately.

Now we need patience and togetherness.

THIS I agree with wholeheartedly.

 

[Finney Is Back]

So do I and Im hoping to see more than 11 league wins next season.

Me too…. I’d much prefer to see another cup win than an upper mid-table finish though.

 

[LutonSpurs]

I'm not sure how any real Spurs fan can be celebratory about this. It has to be bittersweet at least. He did something extraordinary in the Europa but unfortunately he also did something extraordinary in the league but not in a positive sense.

I think it's the right decision but feel very flat

All the best mate

 

[Muttley]

What Fernandez said many pages ago. I think the club has managed it well and it is good timing and a good comm in tough circumstances. It's subtle but Levy is also showing in that comm that many voices and opinions were heard in the process and it was unanimous. As I've said many times, no fan can privy to the many employer / employee conversations between THFC and Ange. We can only speculate. I'm left speculating that Ange either wouldn't acknowledge his required improvement areas or the club didn't feel his answers were good enough. It is just that though. Speculation. None of us really know.

This decision is culmination of over 100 games of data points and thousands and thousands of conversations. It is therefore an informed decision.

You can only look forward in life. It's done, and now we need to get on with the next chapter of this exciting journey as the current EL champions.

Onwards and upwards.

 

[Mikey10]

Do you mean by Ange? Because it was mentioned here a lot of times over the months. Why would Ange announce it beforehand? That would get into the mindset of players who were playing in the league games, and whilst we obviously did poorly Ange didn't actually want us to lose those games...

He was telling everyone in press conferences in January and February that we’d be moving up the PL table and playing much better once we had everyone back. Even with the teams we had out we should have been winning more games.

Anyhow, that’s in the past now. On to the next stage!

 

[Legohamster]

The

Today's piece by Jack Pitt-Brooke in the Athletic lays that out.

Club felt his playing style was responsible for some of the injuries.

Opposition managers also felt his tactics were easy to play through apparently, with one quoted (off the record) as saying we had a clear identity and attacked well, but we're 'easy to kill' when the full backs both went up because we left masses of space behind them.

I disagree, but it's hard to do so when you have literal opposition managers going on record (even if anonymously) to say that.

I was at the Wolves game last season, in the upper tier so could see the pitch lay out/player position etc

You could see the gaps out wide and Neto just stood on one of the flanks waiting for it to break down, one ball and done

I said to my friend who i was with 5 minutes before one of the goals, its one ball and we are undone, I am not quite a PL manager, but if the fans can see it.....

 

[Finney Is Back]

Oh completely agree with all the above.
I was thinking about the comedy value of winning something big and sacking the guy that won it!
It was a bit tongue in cheek.
Another way of saying it is "winning the trophy and being 17th"

The fantasy football WA group I’m in has fans of other clubs laughing at us “As soon as they find a guy who can finally win a trophy and stop the sexy jibes and them being a laughing stock, they sack him and become a laughing stock again”

 

[DubaiSpur]

I remember Amorim saying that before the Europa League Final...on record.
It begs the question as to whether a conversation was ever had with him about his tactics. I know where my bet would be placed...

I don't think it's easy for Levy and Ange to have that conversation, to be fair. Because, as a chairman/owner, if you have it during the season, you will look like you're trying to micromanage, which coaches are notoriously sensitive to. You can only have it at the end of the season, and I suspect the end of last season didn't have enough of a sample size yet, to have that chat.

 

[demotw]

What Fernandez said many pages ago. I think the club has managed it well and it is good timing and a good comm in tough circumstances. It's subtle but Levy is also showing in that comm that many voices and opinions were heard in the process and it was unanimous. As I've said many times, no fan can privy to the many employer / employee conversations between THFC and Ange. We can only speculate. I'm left speculating that Ange either wouldn't acknowledge his required improvement areas or the club didn't feel his answers were good enough. It is just that though. Speculation. None of us really know.

This decision is culmination of over 100 games of data points and thousands and thousands of conversations. It is therefore an informed decision.

You can only look forward in life. It's done, and now we need to get on with the next chapter of this exciting journey as the current EL champions.

Onwards and upwards.

The statement also pointed out the board was well aware of the focus switch to Europe over the league.

Don’t like it, but can understand it I guess

 

[thfcsteff]

What Fernandez said many pages ago. I think the club has managed it well and it is good timing and a good comm in tough circumstances. It's subtle but Levy is also showing in that comm that many voices and opinions were heard in the process and it was unanimous. As I've said many times, no fan can privy to the many employer / employee conversations between THFC and Ange. We can only speculate. I'm left speculating that Ange either wouldn't acknowledge his required improvement areas or the club didn't feel his answers were good enough. It is just that though. Speculation. None of us really know.

This decision is culmination of over 100 games of data points and thousands and thousands of conversations. It is therefore an informed decision.

You can only look forward in life. It's done, and now we need to get on with the next chapter of this exciting journey as the current EL champions.

Onwards and upwards.

I would wait for the full facts before stating such absolutes.

We do no know what was behind the decision (I felt the decision had been made weeks ago remember, and that we were only waiting because he actually won the Europa League and the club were left not really able to put a damp squid on things by sacking him fast - yes, speculation to an extent).

Munn is next I'm sure...let's see who ends up running the club at the end of all this...

 

[Finney Is Back]

We lost.

We lost 22 times in the league.

Did manage to win a C list competition akin to a pre season tournament.

lol…. The best we’d done prior to the ‘C list’ competition (as you put it) under these owners was a D list competition…. Once!

 

[thfcsteff]

I don't think it's easy for Levy and Ange to have that conversation, to be fair. Because, as a chairman/owner, if you have it during the season, you will look like you're trying to micromanage, which coaches are notoriously sensitive to. You can only have it at the end of the season, and I suspect the end of last season didn't have enough of a sample size yet, to have that chat.

A very fair point, but I would hope that Munn and Lange were? I felt for some time Ange was flying solo. How much of that was him versus us I don't know, but it was pretty clear. My feeling remains that this was done a while back and the Europa victory made it hard to axe him at the end of the season.